Mistake aiming at millennials?
#91
Why do you have to be so negative? Lexus does have some nice stuff. Difference between Lexus and Cadillac is the ES350, Lexus has a bread and butter FWD car for the everyday man in the US. This is what Cadillac needs, forget the slow selling LaCrosse and build a Cadillac version.
#92
I dunno if I'm gonna get this right, but I think the 4 objectives in the early 80's prior to Lexus existing, for Toyota Motor, was aerodynamics, top speed, quietness, and fuel economy. I have no idea if these were requirements on the new LS or not. But when you see that the 3rd and 4th gen LS' has a .25 and .26 cd, one would think they still wanted to achieve it "just because." My dad having worked in aerospace would remind us, that's the HP number, that everyone uses to measure goodness. But, frontal area is pretty important, and also, that at 100 mph, it likely isn't going to make much difference. Which is why a GS is like .33 or something? The glasses on the hood imho were a just because as well. It probably means nothing, but was catchy and to this day, 29 years later, people remember it....
#93
#94
I dunno if I'm gonna get this right, but I think the 4 objectives in the early 80's prior to Lexus existing, for Toyota Motor, was aerodynamics, top speed, quietness, and fuel economy. I have no idea if these were requirements on the new LS or not. But when you see that the 3rd and 4th gen LS' has a .25 and .26 cd, one would think they still wanted to achieve it "just because." My dad having worked in aerospace would remind us, that's the HP number, that everyone uses to measure goodness. But, frontal area is pretty important, and also, that at 100 mph, it likely isn't going to make much difference. Which is why a GS is like .33 or something? The glasses on the hood imho were a just because as well. It probably means nothing, but was catchy and to this day, 29 years later, people remember it....
http://www.lexus.com/models/GS/speci...wd#performance
#95
http://www.lexus.com/models/LC/specifications
And the new LS is .28. So it would seem that Lexus still does care about that number, not sure what the limiting factor on the LC is....maybe looks over aerodynamics
http://www.lexus.com/models/LS/specifications
#96
Gotcha, it's the LC that's .33
http://www.lexus.com/models/LC/specifications
And the new LS is .28. So it would seem that Lexus still does care about that number, not sure what the limiting factor on the LC is....maybe looks over aerodynamics
http://www.lexus.com/models/LS/specifications
http://www.lexus.com/models/LC/specifications
And the new LS is .28. So it would seem that Lexus still does care about that number, not sure what the limiting factor on the LC is....maybe looks over aerodynamics
http://www.lexus.com/models/LS/specifications
Downforce over aerodynamics.
Aerodynamics and downforce are opposites.
The LC is after high speed downforce for greater grip at high speeds, and the greater the downforce, the more the aerodynamics is compromized.
Another way you could say it is that as downforce increases, drag increases too.
For example, a Lamborghini Aventador @ $380,000 is very low in height, but has a highish Drag Co-efficient of 0.33 as well, thanks to its great wing for downforce.
Its predecessor the Gallardo was 0.34.
If I remember correctly, drag has little effect below 60 mph, however, by 90 mph - drag should start to impact big time.
I wouldn't have thought that at 100 mph, drag makes little difference.
New edgy 4GS actually has a higher drag than old jelly bean 3GS, because drag has little effect on performance & economy below 60 mph for bread & butter mums & dads.
Last edited by peteharvey; 02-01-18 at 02:53 PM.
#98
The styling is part of it. Most people near my age (late 20's... damn, I can only say that for the better part of this year, now! :'( ) seem to like the styling on the IS I drive, or at least, they will comment on its looks. However, older people I know think it looks "weird" or is "too busy". The styling for me kinda helped me decide to buy it - 3-series and 4-series are a dime a dozen in my office parking lot, whereas the IS and RC are more interesting and less common. However, styling says nothing about the driving experience. I preferred the way the IS drove compared to the A4 and 328i that I cross-shopped with it, no doubt about that. Lexus should market its models more based on that aspect rather than "making an entrance".
#99
With C Class selling 77,000 units last year, 3 Series 60,000 units, A4 37,000 units, and IS on just 26,000 units - it will be interesting to see how many Millennials in their 20's fork out money to purchase the young sporty angular styled firm suspension compact luxury IS.
IMO, targeting the 30 year old age group with appropriate styling and suspension setting compact luxury cars like the Germans is a smarter move, because only a handful of consumers in their 20's who are successful or who have successful parents will have the money to pay for a luxury compact.
IMO, targeting the 30 year old age group with appropriate styling and suspension setting compact luxury cars like the Germans is a smarter move, because only a handful of consumers in their 20's who are successful or who have successful parents will have the money to pay for a luxury compact.
#100
With C Class selling 77,000 units last year, 3 Series 60,000 units, A4 37,000 units, and IS on just 26,000 units - it will be interesting to see how many Millennials in their 20's fork out money to purchase the young sporty angular styled firm suspension compact luxury IS.
IMO, targeting the 30 year old age group with appropriate styling and suspension setting compact luxury cars like the Germans is a smarter move, because only a handful of consumers in their 20's who are successful or who have successful parents will have the money to pay for a luxury compact.
IMO, targeting the 30 year old age group with appropriate styling and suspension setting compact luxury cars like the Germans is a smarter move, because only a handful of consumers in their 20's who are successful or who have successful parents will have the money to pay for a luxury compact.
The Spindle design if the LC is any indication will look far more organic on the 7ES, 5GS, and 4IS, than the 6ES, 4GS, and 3IS, which should help too.
#101
The 4IS will likely grow in total length and in the wheelbase, not much, but every gen gets a little bit bigger. If the IS F returns from hiatus, and if they could bring a hybrid, this could spark some more interest in the IS Line. Not C-Class or 3-Series numbers, but better than current.
The Spindle design if the LC is any indication will look far more organic on the 7ES, 5GS, and 4IS, than the 6ES, 4GS, and 3IS, which should help too.
The Spindle design if the LC is any indication will look far more organic on the 7ES, 5GS, and 4IS, than the 6ES, 4GS, and 3IS, which should help too.
Just out of interest only.
I would have thought the average age for C Class, 3 Series and even IS would be 40+ am I right??? If the average were below 40, then it would be 30+, but I can't imagine it being 20+?
#102
Originally Posted by peteharvey
Hoovey, do you know the average age of 1IS, 2IS, 3IS, C Class and 3 Series buyers?
Just out of interest only.
I would have thought the average age for C Class, 3 Series and even IS would be 40+ am I right??? If the average were below 40, then it would be 30+, but I can't imagine it being 20+?
Just out of interest only.
I would have thought the average age for C Class, 3 Series and even IS would be 40+ am I right??? If the average were below 40, then it would be 30+, but I can't imagine it being 20+?
#103
Hoovey, do you know the average age of 1IS, 2IS, 3IS, C Class and 3 Series buyers?
Just out of interest only.
I would have thought the average age for C Class, 3 Series and even IS would be 40+ am I right??? If the average were below 40, then it would be 30+, but I can't imagine it being 20+?
Just out of interest only.
I would have thought the average age for C Class, 3 Series and even IS would be 40+ am I right??? If the average were below 40, then it would be 30+, but I can't imagine it being 20+?
#105
30 to 40 is reasonable, but I could hardly imagine the average 20-30 year old would have enough money to purchase C Class and 3 Series.
Hence 3IS styling might be a tad too young to maximize sales for their own sake.
3IS styling is probably ideal for Corolla market.
I wonder how old is average Corolla buyer, and even Camry, RAV4 and Highlander for that matter?
I thought they styled new Avalon for 30+, when they should be styling new Avalon for 40+...