peteharvey

If you like the Tesla Model S electric vehicle with 0-60 in 3.0, and you want Porsche level of styling, then perhaps below.
Love the open design with no central B pillar, and those rear doors.
Porsche even gives the rear occupants a more comfortable seating position by not having any cells in the rear foot well area, so that the rear passenger can sit up right with legs dropping down, and feet planted to the floor.
Will be here 2019...

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iTrader: (17)

+1 on build quality being garbage, and Tesla has about as much personality as an elevator. Geo Metro is more thrilling to drive.

SW17LS

A Geo Metro is more thrilling to drive than a instant torque electric car with all that technology that can do 0-60 in 3.6 seconds? Must be some Geo Metro.

LexBob2

I think it must be a Super Metro. If given the choice, I know which car I'd take.

spwolf

Problem with that is that Porsche will be selling this at profit, not at loss... so it will cost $200k minimum and maybe even more.

peteharvey

Very true spwolf; the Porsche BEV will probably cost much more than the Tesla Model S.
Hopefully, 2018 Benz and 2019 Porsche will eventually force Lexus into battery powered electric vehicles BEV's so we can top up while parking [overnight] etc, and do 0-60 with some pretty fast times...

spwolf

I am having hard time imagining that Lexus or Benz or Porsche will ever do what Tesla has done, not until EV's become mainstream.


So instead, lets hope that Tesla fixes their problems and has successful launch of Model 3.

dseag2

Yes, Lexus, Benz and Porsche will all do it like this...

RXSF

^^ omg that is hilarious

pbm317

The lithium ion cells that make up the Tesla battery packs actually look like AA batteries... so it could apply for the Model S as well. Tesla repurposes existing lithium ion cells and sets them into their own module arrays cell by cell.

spwolf

As expected, Musk has initiated smear campaign against owner that crashed his car via Summon feature.
Apparently Tesla warns against using Summon at all, so once you use it, it is your fault.

Warning that Tesla mentions is warning that Summon mode was enabled that appears for 1 second on display inside the car. There was no warning when summon was activated and crashed the car, warning was when driver was exiting the vehicle.

Apparently breaking all the rules means that you should not be using summon on public street at all.

Problem with "Summon" and "Auto-Pilot" is that these systems have sensors that cant possibly handle all the situations that might arise from using them. They are same type of sensors that Toyota put in their cars and have limited view of their surroundings.


http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/11/11...t-crash-letter

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

they also won't do it because they don't like losing a ton of money.

peteharvey

I have test driven the Tesla Model S, and it is a very good idea BEV, but a flawed package from a young upstart.
I guess it will take some time before battery electric vehicles BEV's become mainstream.

Meantime, I guess we just have to do with small capacity turbos, electric turbos, and gasoline-electric hybrids etc.

With turbos, just a small improvement in economy.
With hybrids, there is a big improvement in economy, but there is also a much smaller trunk, a much heavier vehicle, and the extra initial cost of the vehicle, plus long term battery replacement to costs consider; thus last time, I went 350 rather than 450h, esp when my mileage is only 10k a year...
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LeX2K

Toyota didn't wait until the hybrid became mainstream to jump into the market, auto makers that did have never really caught up. Same thing will happen in the EV sector but this time Toyota will be behind the 8-ball.

peteharvey

Will be interesting, because Lexus didn't wait until small capacity turbos became mainstream until Lexus made its move either.

Lexus could be behind forever with small capacity turbos...