Lexus ISF all listed way above KBB retail?
#226
Sorry to break it to you, but this is obviously impossible. Everyone who owns an ISF in this thread knows these ULTRA rare impossible to fine limited edition never to be repeated cars ALWAYS sell for way over KBB. I mean way over no matter what, ESPECIALLY if the owner owes more than the car is "worth." Owing more than the car is worth actually adds value to the car. A little known fact that ignores every single asset on the planet except of course.....the ultra impossible to find Lexus ISF.
Just because this real example of an actual sales that took place in "reality," doesn't mean "ah heck no's muh car is worth way more, I mean I owe way more so it is obviously worth more!!" is incorrect.
OK kidding aside, but recently there have been a lot of 2012s very low miles hitting the $40k or less mark. I imagine that means $37k negotiated.
I might fly out to see a 2013 soon. Used car values as a whole are dropping for the first time since 2008 and are expected to drop 6% this year alone without normal depreciation.
I know this only applies to cars that are not the Lexus ISF, but still.
Just because this real example of an actual sales that took place in "reality," doesn't mean "ah heck no's muh car is worth way more, I mean I owe way more so it is obviously worth more!!" is incorrect.
OK kidding aside, but recently there have been a lot of 2012s very low miles hitting the $40k or less mark. I imagine that means $37k negotiated.
I might fly out to see a 2013 soon. Used car values as a whole are dropping for the first time since 2008 and are expected to drop 6% this year alone without normal depreciation.
I know this only applies to cars that are not the Lexus ISF, but still.
But good luck with you '13 you're going to look at. Don't be surprised if they're not willing to negotiate :-)
V.
#227
Sorry to break it to you, but this is obviously impossible. Everyone who owns an ISF in this thread knows these ULTRA rare impossible to fine limited edition never to be repeated cars ALWAYS sell for way over KBB. I mean way over no matter what, ESPECIALLY if the owner owes more than the car is "worth." Owing more than the car is worth actually adds value to the car. A little known fact that ignores every single asset on the planet except of course.....the ultra impossible to find Lexus ISF.
Just because this real example of an actual sales that took place in "reality," doesn't mean "ah heck no's muh car is worth way more, I mean I owe way more so it is obviously worth more!!" is incorrect.
OK kidding aside, but recently there have been a lot of 2012s very low miles hitting the $40k or less mark. I imagine that means $37k negotiated.
I might fly out to see a 2013 soon. Used car values as a whole are dropping for the first time since 2008 and are expected to drop 6% this year alone without normal depreciation.
I know this only applies to cars that are not the Lexus ISF, but still.
Just because this real example of an actual sales that took place in "reality," doesn't mean "ah heck no's muh car is worth way more, I mean I owe way more so it is obviously worth more!!" is incorrect.
OK kidding aside, but recently there have been a lot of 2012s very low miles hitting the $40k or less mark. I imagine that means $37k negotiated.
I might fly out to see a 2013 soon. Used car values as a whole are dropping for the first time since 2008 and are expected to drop 6% this year alone without normal depreciation.
I know this only applies to cars that are not the Lexus ISF, but still.
#229
And what's the difference between a 2008 and say a 2011? Besides the suspension and rear diff and such... Production numbers. 2011 saw something like 650+ US models. That's like super car production levels. Not saying it's a super car though. Typically supply and demand would have the cost of these things skyrocketed but Lexus screwed up by sticking the F on anything it could. It's kind of hard to have demand for something that no knows about or thinks it's something else like a rebadged Lexus with a higher price tag.
Just in comparison to the number of Civics and Camrys made/sold in ONE year.
V.
#231
The economy has hit it's max and auto loans are maxed as well.
The recent ACTUAL SALES examples from on here have been at KBB (surprise surprise)
#232
#234
Some picks I sent to another member today:
2012 White on black in Phoenix, $40,599, much closer, I would go test drive that.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=134683954
2013 Nebula Gray Pearl but with white interior......higher price, worth to negotiation on if you dig it:
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=142445246
2013 White on black......86 days on the market (they must love staring at it), a bit higher then what you want to spend, but maybe they are willing to cut you a deal.....worth a shot, CA car and it's a 2013.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=136163293
2012 Nebula Gray Pearl on black, Florida car, they are a bit higher. Aside from flying in and testing, I would tell them you can pay their asking price if it includes an enclosed trailer transport (which would cost you about 1300 to 1600)
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...FooterFeatured
2012 White on black in Phoenix, $40,599, much closer, I would go test drive that.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=134683954
2013 Nebula Gray Pearl but with white interior......higher price, worth to negotiation on if you dig it:
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=142445246
2013 White on black......86 days on the market (they must love staring at it), a bit higher then what you want to spend, but maybe they are willing to cut you a deal.....worth a shot, CA car and it's a 2013.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=136163293
2012 Nebula Gray Pearl on black, Florida car, they are a bit higher. Aside from flying in and testing, I would tell them you can pay their asking price if it includes an enclosed trailer transport (which would cost you about 1300 to 1600)
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...FooterFeatured
#235
Some picks I sent to another member today:
2012 White on black in Phoenix, $40,599, much closer, I would go test drive that.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=134683954
2013 Nebula Gray Pearl but with white interior......higher price, worth to negotiation on if you dig it:
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=142445246
2013 White on black......86 days on the market (they must love staring at it), a bit higher then what you want to spend, but maybe they are willing to cut you a deal.....worth a shot, CA car and it's a 2013.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=136163293
2012 Nebula Gray Pearl on black, Florida car, they are a bit higher. Aside from flying in and testing, I would tell them you can pay their asking price if it includes an enclosed trailer transport (which would cost you about 1300 to 1600)
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...FooterFeatured
2012 White on black in Phoenix, $40,599, much closer, I would go test drive that.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=134683954
2013 Nebula Gray Pearl but with white interior......higher price, worth to negotiation on if you dig it:
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=142445246
2013 White on black......86 days on the market (they must love staring at it), a bit higher then what you want to spend, but maybe they are willing to cut you a deal.....worth a shot, CA car and it's a 2013.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=136163293
2012 Nebula Gray Pearl on black, Florida car, they are a bit higher. Aside from flying in and testing, I would tell them you can pay their asking price if it includes an enclosed trailer transport (which would cost you about 1300 to 1600)
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...FooterFeatured
I'm also looking at the RCF. Lots of cars in the low 50s. When they start crossing into 40s that'll be a hard see to not choose one over the ISF.
#237
I listed my '08 higher than KBB for a couple of reasons; I'm including mods and most everything on Craigslist is at my price or higher for a similar car. You just need the right buyer for a special car who knows what it is.