Lexus LC News
#2626
Pole Position
Yep, should have made an LS-F and that ^ should have been it. At that point it would have killed all the thoughts that Lexus did not intend to play with the big boy Germans. However by NOT building it they pretty much confirmed they had no intention to play with the Germans. Would also have been the perfect engine, in a detuned 550hp form for the GSF.
Its not that Lexus is not capable, they just don't have the nuts to pull the trigger.
Its not that Lexus is not capable, they just don't have the nuts to pull the trigger.
#2627
Pole Position
It will only get more complicated once bi-turbo three liter V6 show up in new GS next to this hybrid power plant. You know what that means right? It means that you should forget all your wet dreams of new turbo V6 producing 415hp at least in GS. HP output of new turbo V6 will be lesser than GS500h cause once again hybrid will be more expensive.
#2628
Let's take a moment to consider who the LC Hybrid customer is
lives in a 2-4 million dollar home, probably owns multiple homes
takes curated vacations in the Turks and Caicos
highly educated
shops in boutiques
they want high end experiences, which the LC hybrid will provide, style, luxury, comfort, quiet, exclusivity
it won't sell a ton of units
if you want to beat the horsepower drum, go for it, but you are just not connected to these customers.
lives in a 2-4 million dollar home, probably owns multiple homes
takes curated vacations in the Turks and Caicos
highly educated
shops in boutiques
they want high end experiences, which the LC hybrid will provide, style, luxury, comfort, quiet, exclusivity
it won't sell a ton of units
if you want to beat the horsepower drum, go for it, but you are just not connected to these customers.
#2629
Lexus Fanatic
Let's take a moment to consider who the LC Hybrid customer is
lives in a 2-4 million dollar home, probably owns multiple homes
takes curated vacations in the Turks and Caicos
highly educated
shops in boutiques
they want high end experiences, which the LC hybrid will provide, style, luxury, comfort, quiet, exclusivity
it won't sell a ton of units
if you want to beat the horsepower drum, go for it, but you are just not connected to these customers.
lives in a 2-4 million dollar home, probably owns multiple homes
takes curated vacations in the Turks and Caicos
highly educated
shops in boutiques
they want high end experiences, which the LC hybrid will provide, style, luxury, comfort, quiet, exclusivity
it won't sell a ton of units
if you want to beat the horsepower drum, go for it, but you are just not connected to these customers.
Nice summary and I do get what you are saying, but all of the things you mentioned in the list apply to the LC500 as well.
#2630
At that end of the market, there are very small slivers/nuances of customer segmentations. Yes, some will "want it all" with something like the superfluous bi-turbo this and that on top of everything. But there's no doubt that some of those nearly same people are cognizant that they don't need/nor potentially want that much power. And here in LA, S-Class Coupes and Convertibles are pretty common place now.
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Mercedes learned that you need to have the alternative fueled sibling to cheaper, or the same price as the gas counterpart. That is an easier pill to swallow than paying more for something that is considered "less". Making the LCh thousdands more expensive I feel is a mistake.
Also I saw a video from KBB about the LC and they briefly showed the navigation screen is where you activate the heated/ventilated seats. I know someone was asking about that earlier.
Also I saw a video from KBB about the LC and they briefly showed the navigation screen is where you activate the heated/ventilated seats. I know someone was asking about that earlier.
#2632
Jill
i would say that the LC hybrid an MB pick the model 65 crowd are financially similar
the 65 crowd as PBM eloquently pointed out seeks the top model, regardless of price consequence
the LC hybrid gathering (too few to be a crowd) consider multiple aspects of the objects they choose to own
regarding hybrid pricing, I believe setting the hybrid above the ICE only model is pretty std in the Toyota/Lexus spheres.
GS and RX being examples
when the Q50 came out the hybrid was more money. The hybrid also had power and economy advantages. Now the Q50 red sport with more power than the hybrid is out and at a slightly higher price
i would say that the LC hybrid an MB pick the model 65 crowd are financially similar
the 65 crowd as PBM eloquently pointed out seeks the top model, regardless of price consequence
the LC hybrid gathering (too few to be a crowd) consider multiple aspects of the objects they choose to own
regarding hybrid pricing, I believe setting the hybrid above the ICE only model is pretty std in the Toyota/Lexus spheres.
GS and RX being examples
when the Q50 came out the hybrid was more money. The hybrid also had power and economy advantages. Now the Q50 red sport with more power than the hybrid is out and at a slightly higher price
#2633
Pole Position
THSD right now is pretty much the thing of yesterday and somehow Lexus got stuck with that expensive RWD hybrid setup that doesn't justify the premium anymore. I have no clue why they went ahead and made changes to the transmission part of the drivetrain instead of to, let's say, develop two separate electric motors for each wheel to replace centralized electric motor and CVT altogether.
#2634
Lexus Champion
THSD right now is pretty much the thing of yesterday and somehow Lexus got stuck with that expensive RWD hybrid setup that doesn't justify the premium anymore. I have no clue why they went ahead and made changes to the transmission part of the drivetrain instead of to, let's say, develop two separate electric motors for each wheel to replace centralized electric motor and CVT altogether.
Looks like you don't know how HSD works.
#2636
Lexus Fanatic
Some LC buyers (not all) maybe able to afford a S-class 65. It would be safe to assume that every single S-class 65 owner could purchase a LC. Sort of a different class of buyer.
#2637
Lexus Fanatic
I think you'll find most buyers of cars at this price point can afford more expensive cars. Most people buying $80k+ cars aren't buying the most car they can physically afford.
For instance, by any measure of "affordability" you find out there, whether it's % of monthly income, or multipliers of ones income I could afford basically any car, as a lot of CL members could.
For instance, by any measure of "affordability" you find out there, whether it's % of monthly income, or multipliers of ones income I could afford basically any car, as a lot of CL members could.
#2638
Advanced
I think you'll find most buyers of cars at this price point can afford more expensive cars. Most people buying $80k+ cars aren't buying the most car they can physically afford.
For instance, by any measure of "affordability" you find out there, whether it's % of monthly income, or multipliers of ones income I could afford basically any car, as a lot of CL members could.
For instance, by any measure of "affordability" you find out there, whether it's % of monthly income, or multipliers of ones income I could afford basically any car, as a lot of CL members could.
#2639
Lexus Fanatic
The S-class coupe 65 option ($238K) is more than the total of the LC alone, assuming that is debuts at $100K. S65 is Rolls Royce and Bentley territory.
#2640
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by LOWFAST
True. But none of us got to our current financial positions by buying the max we could "afford". The same is true of those who are even better off financially. I would have to have money just stacking up in the corner before I would throw down $200k+ on a single car.