Lexus Loses Its Luster in J.D. Power Quality Study
07-02-17, 05:20 PM
#226
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by peteharvey
The car has actually been lowered.
I have to go now, but when i have some time, I'll find the video for you.
I have to go now, but when i have some time, I'll find the video for you.
And with the decline of sedans, people who want height buy crossovers. Lowering the seating position makes the car more dynamic to drive, if people who want utility are buying crossovers already I say being on the sedans with less compromises for the rest of us
07-02-17, 05:39 PM
#227
That's the new TMC President Akio Toyoda's "input" that you're talking about.
Presently, he is heading TMC's Electric Vehicles Division.
I like the spindle grill, but I'm not too keen on the uncoordinated body shapes.
I'm also not a fan of his idea to give TMC inspired styling and inspired driving dynamics [sporty] to match the great heritage of European marques like Maserati etc.
Because these famous marques like Maserati etc went broke, and are now owned by bread and butter Fiat etc.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
For the base models, just stick to comfortable cars.
Have an F Sport suspension option available.
For even greater sports performance, aftermarket coilovers and after market wheels/tires are always available.
However, it is very difficult if not impossible to make a standard sporty OEM vehicle comfortable in the aftermarket world.
Forthcoming Camry is low, such that it is rather difficult & tricky to make this vehicle taller in the aftermarket, without compromizing on safety.
I would have preferred if Toyota stuck to the traditional route for a tall Camry, and this gives slightly easier entry/exit, greater visibility, greater ground clearance, and greater suspension travel too, and this allow sports enthusiasts to go aftermarket to lower their cars.
Why try to cannibalize the aftermarket sports suspension industry?
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Presently, he is heading TMC's Electric Vehicles Division.
I like the spindle grill, but I'm not too keen on the uncoordinated body shapes.
I'm also not a fan of his idea to give TMC inspired styling and inspired driving dynamics [sporty] to match the great heritage of European marques like Maserati etc.
Because these famous marques like Maserati etc went broke, and are now owned by bread and butter Fiat etc.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
For the base models, just stick to comfortable cars.
Have an F Sport suspension option available.
For even greater sports performance, aftermarket coilovers and after market wheels/tires are always available.
However, it is very difficult if not impossible to make a standard sporty OEM vehicle comfortable in the aftermarket world.
Forthcoming Camry is low, such that it is rather difficult & tricky to make this vehicle taller in the aftermarket, without compromizing on safety.
I would have preferred if Toyota stuck to the traditional route for a tall Camry, and this gives slightly easier entry/exit, greater visibility, greater ground clearance, and greater suspension travel too, and this allow sports enthusiasts to go aftermarket to lower their cars.
Why try to cannibalize the aftermarket sports suspension industry?
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The forthcoming Camry is about 1.0" lower overall, with the front hip point lower by 0.8" and the rear hip point lower by 1.2".
The lower the hip point, the more difficult the entry and egress.
Too high a hip point like a Toyota Landcruiser etc, and it's difficult to enter and exit too.
https://www.netcarshow.com/toyota/2018-camry/
07-02-17, 06:39 PM
#228
Lexus Fanatic
You do realize how small .8 of an inch is right?
07-02-17, 06:52 PM
#229
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Forthcoming Camry is low, such that it is rather difficult & tricky to make this vehicle taller in the aftermarket, without compromizing on safety.
I would have preferred if Toyota stuck to the traditional route for a tall Camry, and this gives slightly easier entry/exit, greater visibility, greater ground clearance, and greater suspension travel too, and this allow sports enthusiasts to go aftermarket to lower their cars.
Why try to cannibalize the aftermarket sports suspension industry?
_
I would have preferred if Toyota stuck to the traditional route for a tall Camry, and this gives slightly easier entry/exit, greater visibility, greater ground clearance, and greater suspension travel too, and this allow sports enthusiasts to go aftermarket to lower their cars.
Why try to cannibalize the aftermarket sports suspension industry?
_
I said it was low, but I didn't say it was too low.
The forthcoming Camry is about 1.0" lower overall, with the front hip point lower by 0.8" and the rear hip point lower by 1.2".
The lower the hip point, the more difficult the entry and egress.
Too high a hip point like a Toyota Landcruiser etc, and it's difficult to enter and exit too.
https://www.netcarshow.com/toyota/2018-camry/
The forthcoming Camry is about 1.0" lower overall, with the front hip point lower by 0.8" and the rear hip point lower by 1.2".
The lower the hip point, the more difficult the entry and egress.
Too high a hip point like a Toyota Landcruiser etc, and it's difficult to enter and exit too.
https://www.netcarshow.com/toyota/2018-camry/
I don't think that 1-inch lower height is going to affect entry and exit. In fact, it may still be higher than the 3rd- and 4th-generation models.
07-02-17, 07:53 PM
#230
Yes, the Camry is lower, with a lower hip point and lower cowl, for better visibility. What you did not consider is that Toyota had raised the Camry (and the hip point), starting with the 2002 model year, 5th-generation model, so much so that the car felt tippy, as though it were constantly on its tiptoes; the difference in height between the 4th- and 5th-generation models was about 2-inches. And then the 6th-generation model raised the beltline (for less glass area, as was the fashion at the time) so that despite the greater height compared to the 4th-generation model, visibility out was terrible.
I don't think that 1-inch lower height is going to affect entry and exit. In fact, it may still be higher than the 3rd- and 4th-generation models.
I don't think that 1-inch lower height is going to affect entry and exit. In fact, it may still be higher than the 3rd- and 4th-generation models.
They've grown around about 4" over the fast few decades.
This is the very first Camry to be lower.
1" isn't going to set the world on fire.
Sort of like my old 2005-12 Lexus 3GS becoming lower and swoopier, while 2012-19 4GS becomes upright and square again...
07-03-17, 06:50 AM
#231
Lexus Fanatic
p.s. it is what it is, if BMW or Audi were as reliable or affordable to maintain, Lexus would have a hard time selling cars. based on what I've seen at dealerships (2X), the crowd is of a higher median age
whether or not it's the case, it's known to be at the top of the reliability list...(this may not be true today)
Last edited by Johnhav430; 07-03-17 at 06:54 AM.
07-04-17, 11:18 AM
#232
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07-04-17, 11:20 AM
#233
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
that's what she said. 
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