2018 S Class Please Stop Comparing the LS
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That wasn't quite what I was referring to. A car like that could be addicting to people....power, comfort, refinement, almost every conveninece item inside possible. Wouldn't necessarily be my first choice (something in the Lacrosse/MKX/G80/ES/Cadenza class is fine with me), but a number of people would sell their soul for an S65.
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and this one is renntech tuned
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The prestige is not merit based, it's based on the the big Mercedes grill, star, and S-class nameplate. Put all of these on an LS460 and you will garner the same prestige. Not that an LS lacks for prestige.
A Model S Tesla, now that's a car with merit-based prestige, and I bet people would be more impressed with that than any S-class.
A Model S Tesla, now that's a car with merit-based prestige, and I bet people would be more impressed with that than any S-class.
their lack of prestige must be why most diplomats the world over are ferried around in s-classes, why they're in front of every high end hotel in every major city in the world, why they're seen on the most famous rich streets (rodeo drive), etc. ![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
funny, you bash the s-class interior yet the tesla s interior is in some ways weaker than a premium brand.
to some, i'm sure, but the ls has a tough road to dethrone the s class.
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funny, you bash the s-class interior yet the tesla s interior is in some ways weaker than a premium brand.
to some, i'm sure, but the ls has a tough road to dethrone the s class.
Look at how "stately" the S Class styling is.
A true diplomat's vehicle.
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By comparison, the original 2007 4LS clean & slick styling almost got there.
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Only to be ruined by midlife refreshed 4.5LS styling which went backwards, losing the clean/slick front end, and aging rapidly.
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Though the rear isn't too bad from this angle.
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The forthcoming 5LS is really plain and uninspiring.
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People actually double take the LS on the road? I've never looked twice at one either... Don't even know why the 2 are being compared , the S class is on a whole different level.
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The W222 is much improved, but still a bit bland, especially towards the rear. Those blobs for headlights don't help it on the stately-o-meter either.
The LS460 was better styled than both. It's rear end in particular was very stately:
Compare it to the W221, with its harsh surfaces and comical wheel arches,
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/2006-2009_Mercedes-Benz_S550_W221_rear.jpg)
And the W222:
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And the LS500, which in IRL photos is actually quite a pretty car:
![](http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/1073/450/19.jpg)
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Last edited by Mr. Burns; 08-04-17 at 11:26 PM.
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The new S-class is gorgeous, very sophisticated, and refuses to be ignored. I wanted an S-class before deciding on an LS. We could afford to buy a used S-class, but I was doubtful we could afford to maintain one. That W221 though is one ugly car and belongs more in the 1980s or 90s than post-second-millenium. I love cars in general and also like the A8 a lot too. I'm not too impressed with recent BMWs. Too many models in the BMW stable that don't really differentiate themselves all that well -- 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8-series, x3, x5, x6, plus sub-models within each series and convertibles too, the brand has become too diluted. Besides recognizing other LSes on the road, the S-class is among the few remaining cars on the road (besides the occasional Ferrari/Lambo/NSX) that still gets my immediate attention. That said, if we never own an S-class I would still be perfectly happy with our LS.
BTW, got my third "nice Lexus" compliment today since owning the car for five months. Usually, people are impressed by the car but only seldom does someone actually come up to me and make it a point to compliment our 2013 LS. I never received any compliments when we had the LS 430, but with the LS 460 strangers have asked about the Flaxen leather, teenagers have yelled out their approval from the sidewalk, colleagues have characterized the interior as "beautiful", and today a Costco employee felt compelled to acknowledge our "nice Lexus" while he was helping someone load their GMC Acadia. I am sure an S-class would have garnered more attention and appreciation from strangers, if only from the badge. Am also noticing a lot more Lexus on the roads in our area, mostly ISes, Res, and ESes. People are starting to realize they can just pay a little more to move up from mainstream brands. However, this is starting to give a feeling that anyone can get into a Lexus and it is no longer as exclusive as it once was. The S-class still has that exclusive/elusive quality, something to aspire to.
BTW, got my third "nice Lexus" compliment today since owning the car for five months. Usually, people are impressed by the car but only seldom does someone actually come up to me and make it a point to compliment our 2013 LS. I never received any compliments when we had the LS 430, but with the LS 460 strangers have asked about the Flaxen leather, teenagers have yelled out their approval from the sidewalk, colleagues have characterized the interior as "beautiful", and today a Costco employee felt compelled to acknowledge our "nice Lexus" while he was helping someone load their GMC Acadia. I am sure an S-class would have garnered more attention and appreciation from strangers, if only from the badge. Am also noticing a lot more Lexus on the roads in our area, mostly ISes, Res, and ESes. People are starting to realize they can just pay a little more to move up from mainstream brands. However, this is starting to give a feeling that anyone can get into a Lexus and it is no longer as exclusive as it once was. The S-class still has that exclusive/elusive quality, something to aspire to.
Last edited by FatherTo1; 08-04-17 at 11:49 PM.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Burns
I think you're embellishing. Granted I don't know if you're referring to the $90k S-class (the real S-class) or the $150k-$200k S-class (the S-class used for marketing).
Why would I embellish my opinion of a vehicle I don't own as compared to the vehicle I do own? What would be my motivation for doing that?
And in fact this is a complaint I had for the A8 as well. You can call it woven matrix or whatever, it looks and feels cheap. The LS460 door panels are buuutttery soft, and beautifully stitched. Go feel your own W222, door panels rock hard, even if they are covered in leather. Same goes for seats and arm rests.
All the A8s I've ever seen have a beautiful
Alcantara headliner with LED light piping and opera lighting.
Yes the S-class interior has a slight edge overall over the LS460, but never did I feel it was $30k+ better inside.
But forget the LS460, like I said the W222 is 7 years newer. The LS500 design wise at least blows the W222 interior out of the water.
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I also think Lexus stitching quality is the best in the industry right now.The prestige is not merit based, it's based on the the big Mercedes grill, star, and S-class nameplate. Put all of these on an LS460 and you will garner the same prestige. Not that an LS lacks for prestige.
The LS is very anonymous, which is not a bad thing per se.
Sales and merit don't always go hand in hand.
Last edited by SW17LS; 08-05-17 at 07:26 AM.
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The new LS doesn't even have a V8 anymore while all the others not only have several V8 choices but also offer a V12!
That is prestige.
If you won the lottery tomorrow and wanted a flagship sedan, 99.9% of people would not choose the LS.
That is prestige.
If you won the lottery tomorrow and wanted a flagship sedan, 99.9% of people would not choose the LS.
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
If you won the lottery tomorrow and wanted a flagship sedan, 99.9% of people would not choose the LS.
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I find that hard to believe. I feel the new LS looks amazing vs the competition. I bet sales will show a nice jump over the previous gen (obviously since it's new). It won't match the S class for sales, but that's because everyone wants one. Imo, I want something unique and a little different, not what everyone has (Mercedes).
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But yes most will go after the three pointed star.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Burns
The LS500 will likely be the best flagship sedan you can buy all things considered.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Burns
That will be the LS-F.