Concerning JLSC4's "pledge of allegiance"
02-21-09, 01:50 PM
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Concerning JLSC4's "pledge of allegiance"
This post is in reference to the thread JLSC4 started and was promptly closed:
He wrote: "I pledge allegiance to the Socialist State of Amerika, and to the Government who controls all: one Nation under Obama, divided, with government dependence and economic equality for all."
Exactly what of that is hateful? Simply one man expressing an opinion (which I happen to agree with). And if you don't think this country is divided right now you are sorely mistaken.
I personally find the JLSC4 post to be dead on.. In fact, I find it extremely lame when people immediately turn over the hate/race card when anyone has anything negative to say about the man or his administration.
If you do not think that the motions/plans that the Obama administration has already set in motion is leading us down a swift road of government dependency / socialism, then you my friend have a rude awakening ahead of you. We are seeing the beginnings of the nationalization of industries.. from banks to auto companies to mortgage companies.. seems pretty inline with definition of socialism.
Aside from that, the OP didn't make any racial/hate comment in his post whatsoever towards Obama. Obama's name is included because he is now the leader of our country and has final say of implementing these new policies. His name should be included in the OP's satirical portrayal of the pledge.
For someone to close a thread immediately that showed no hate, but had a particular bias against that of what a particular moderator might have had shows how the freedom of speech is quickly taking a turn for the worse.
He wrote: "I pledge allegiance to the Socialist State of Amerika, and to the Government who controls all: one Nation under Obama, divided, with government dependence and economic equality for all."
Exactly what of that is hateful? Simply one man expressing an opinion (which I happen to agree with). And if you don't think this country is divided right now you are sorely mistaken.
I personally find the JLSC4 post to be dead on.. In fact, I find it extremely lame when people immediately turn over the hate/race card when anyone has anything negative to say about the man or his administration.
If you do not think that the motions/plans that the Obama administration has already set in motion is leading us down a swift road of government dependency / socialism, then you my friend have a rude awakening ahead of you. We are seeing the beginnings of the nationalization of industries.. from banks to auto companies to mortgage companies.. seems pretty inline with definition of socialism.
Aside from that, the OP didn't make any racial/hate comment in his post whatsoever towards Obama. Obama's name is included because he is now the leader of our country and has final say of implementing these new policies. His name should be included in the OP's satirical portrayal of the pledge.
For someone to close a thread immediately that showed no hate, but had a particular bias against that of what a particular moderator might have had shows how the freedom of speech is quickly taking a turn for the worse.
02-21-09, 01:58 PM
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Jedidiah, I am going to respond in public to see the reasoning for its closing.
1. There is a debate forum HE actively participates in. He put his "hate" speech in the public Clubhouse forum for whatever reason. Which leads to the second point.
2. There are plenty of threads in the said Debate forum for him to either add his thread or add that post. If you read in that forum, its mostly anti-Obama/Adminstration so it would have fit right in.
3. This is Clublexus and you agree to rules here and we can close/move threads at our discretion. This is not a public park.
4. There are plenty of internet sites outside of Clublexus where he can post his song. I posted a link on Facebook he would have fit right in with.
We have a debate forum for people to debate. On the complete flipside we also have closed and edited plenty of anti-Bush posts/threads.
Its not easy being a moderator and making many of these decisions but again, the purpose for that thread was to start flames.
Here are the rules to the debate forum.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/the...e-posting.html
Keep it in the debate forum Do not post opinions on political, religious, sexual, reproductive, gender, and other similar hot topics in other forums such as the Clubhouse. Many of our members already get more than enough of the politics for example on TV, on radio, from our friends and co-workers, and many other methods and media. Reminder: No political-based signatures or avatars are allowed on Club Lexus.
1. There is a debate forum HE actively participates in. He put his "hate" speech in the public Clubhouse forum for whatever reason. Which leads to the second point.
2. There are plenty of threads in the said Debate forum for him to either add his thread or add that post. If you read in that forum, its mostly anti-Obama/Adminstration so it would have fit right in.
3. This is Clublexus and you agree to rules here and we can close/move threads at our discretion. This is not a public park.
4. There are plenty of internet sites outside of Clublexus where he can post his song. I posted a link on Facebook he would have fit right in with.
We have a debate forum for people to debate. On the complete flipside we also have closed and edited plenty of anti-Bush posts/threads.
Its not easy being a moderator and making many of these decisions but again, the purpose for that thread was to start flames.
Here are the rules to the debate forum.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/the...e-posting.html
Keep it in the debate forum Do not post opinions on political, religious, sexual, reproductive, gender, and other similar hot topics in other forums such as the Clubhouse. Many of our members already get more than enough of the politics for example on TV, on radio, from our friends and co-workers, and many other methods and media. Reminder: No political-based signatures or avatars are allowed on Club Lexus.
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Mike,
I will respect you as a Moderator, but not for your decision to close that thread.
I often do not visit the clubhouse, just happen to see this one thread and your post. While he might have a history of so called "hate" speech, it didn't appear that this particular thread had that undertone.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't every thread be examined and considered individually vs. written off immediately as something based on the author/member?
You seem to have him already labeled (and maybe rightfully so), but just to close a thread based on that alone seems like a slippery slope.
Not here to do your job or to moderate, but the only reason that I saw that was justified for closing that thread was that it was posted in the general clubhouse vs the debate forum (which could have easily been moved vs. closed).
Appreciate what you do and the time you spend to keep this place clean and inline Mike. Just another man voicing his opinion, which we thankfully still have the right to do in this country.
I will respect you as a Moderator, but not for your decision to close that thread.
I often do not visit the clubhouse, just happen to see this one thread and your post. While he might have a history of so called "hate" speech, it didn't appear that this particular thread had that undertone.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't every thread be examined and considered individually vs. written off immediately as something based on the author/member?
You seem to have him already labeled (and maybe rightfully so), but just to close a thread based on that alone seems like a slippery slope.
Not here to do your job or to moderate, but the only reason that I saw that was justified for closing that thread was that it was posted in the general clubhouse vs the debate forum (which could have easily been moved vs. closed).
Appreciate what you do and the time you spend to keep this place clean and inline Mike. Just another man voicing his opinion, which we thankfully still have the right to do in this country.
02-21-09, 02:09 PM
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Jedidiah, thank you very much for clearing up my intentions. I still don't understand why it was closed. 
I am NOT an Obama hater. I simply disagree with his socialist policies. I disagreed with Bush's policies as well.
The "pledge" simply describes the road we're quickly moving down (already there in many cases).
Our freedom of speech is on attack. Everything against liberalism is trying to be stopped (leading Democrats are trying to bring back the "Fairness Doctrine" to shut up Conservative voices). Clearly, it's a challenge to talk about socialism here too. People don't want to hear the truth because it hurts too much.
I didn't want to hijack any existing threads so stupid me for opening a new one. My mistake.
I am NOT an Obama hater. I simply disagree with his socialist policies. I disagreed with Bush's policies as well.
The "pledge" simply describes the road we're quickly moving down (already there in many cases).
Our freedom of speech is on attack. Everything against liberalism is trying to be stopped (leading Democrats are trying to bring back the "Fairness Doctrine" to shut up Conservative voices). Clearly, it's a challenge to talk about socialism here too. People don't want to hear the truth because it hurts too much.
I didn't want to hijack any existing threads so stupid me for opening a new one. My mistake.
02-21-09, 02:17 PM
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Mike,
I will respect you as a Moderator, but not for your decision to close that thread.
I often do not visit the clubhouse, just happen to see this one thread and your post. While he might have a history of so called "hate" speech, it didn't appear that this particular thread had that undertone.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't every thread be examined and considered individually vs. written off immediately as something based on the author/member?
You seem to have him already labeled (and maybe rightfully so), but just to close a thread based on that alone seems like a slippery slope.
Not here to do your job or to moderate, but the only reason that I saw that was justified for closing that thread was that it was posted in the general clubhouse vs the debate forum (which could have easily been moved vs. closed).
Appreciate what you do and the time you spend to keep this place clean and inline Mike. Just another man voicing his opinion, which we thankfully still have the right to do in this country.
I will respect you as a Moderator, but not for your decision to close that thread.
I often do not visit the clubhouse, just happen to see this one thread and your post. While he might have a history of so called "hate" speech, it didn't appear that this particular thread had that undertone.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't every thread be examined and considered individually vs. written off immediately as something based on the author/member?
You seem to have him already labeled (and maybe rightfully so), but just to close a thread based on that alone seems like a slippery slope.
Not here to do your job or to moderate, but the only reason that I saw that was justified for closing that thread was that it was posted in the general clubhouse vs the debate forum (which could have easily been moved vs. closed).
Appreciate what you do and the time you spend to keep this place clean and inline Mike. Just another man voicing his opinion, which we thankfully still have the right to do in this country.
and personally speaking I can say "I made a mistake" or change my stance. I am afraid that thread will eventually get closed but it will be re-opened. Thank you for the feedback. I still though do not see where that thread will go but down and being a moderator for what 7 years (and personally management) I hope I am wrong this time.Jedidiah, thank you very much for clearing up my intentions. I still don't understand why it was closed.
I am NOT an Obama hater. I simply disagree with his socialist policies. I disagreed with Bush's policies as well.
The "pledge" simply describes the road we're quickly moving down (already there in many cases).
Our freedom of speech is on attack. Everything against liberalism is trying to be stopped (leading Democrats are trying to bring back the "Fairness Doctrine" to shut up Conservative voices). Clearly, it's a challenge to talk about socialism here too. People don't want to hear the truth because it hurts too much.
I didn't want to hijack any existing threads so stupid me for opening a new one. My mistake.
I am NOT an Obama hater. I simply disagree with his socialist policies. I disagreed with Bush's policies as well.
The "pledge" simply describes the road we're quickly moving down (already there in many cases).
Our freedom of speech is on attack. Everything against liberalism is trying to be stopped (leading Democrats are trying to bring back the "Fairness Doctrine" to shut up Conservative voices). Clearly, it's a challenge to talk about socialism here too. People don't want to hear the truth because it hurts too much.
I didn't want to hijack any existing threads so stupid me for opening a new one. My mistake.
See, I'm no Commie
02-21-09, 02:22 PM
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Mike,
I will respect you as a Moderator, but not for your decision to close that thread.
I often do not visit the clubhouse, just happen to see this one thread and your post. While he might have a history of so called "hate" speech, it didn't appear that this particular thread had that undertone.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't every thread be examined and considered individually vs. written off immediately as something based on the author/member?
You seem to have him already labeled (and maybe rightfully so), but just to close a thread based on that alone seems like a slippery slope.
Just another man voicing his opinion, which we thankfully still have the right to do in this country.
I will respect you as a Moderator, but not for your decision to close that thread.
I often do not visit the clubhouse, just happen to see this one thread and your post. While he might have a history of so called "hate" speech, it didn't appear that this particular thread had that undertone.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't every thread be examined and considered individually vs. written off immediately as something based on the author/member?
You seem to have him already labeled (and maybe rightfully so), but just to close a thread based on that alone seems like a slippery slope.
Just another man voicing his opinion, which we thankfully still have the right to do in this country.
I've been on here for 6 years and have no record of "hate speech" - Others I hope can confirm. I'm a very peaceful member.
1Sicklex and I have only clashed on our opinion on Acura which we won't get into because it's just silly.
The satire of the Pledge is absolutely not intended for hate. I LOVE America and what it is SUPPOSED to stand for and what the Constitution is designed to protect. Our founding fathers are already rolling in their graves by recent events and its getting worse. America is NOT a socialist nation, why do so many people not care that we're are heading down that road??? It's so scary that we are losing our country.
02-21-09, 02:26 PM
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Jedidiah,
I've been on here for 6 years and have no record of "hate speech" - Others I hope can confirm. I'm a very peaceful member.
1Sicklex and I have only clashed on our opinion on Acura which we won't get into because it's just silly.
The satire of the Pledge is absolutely not intended for hate. I LOVE America and what it is SUPPOSED to stand for and what the Constitution is designed to protect. Our founding fathers are already rolling in their graves by recent events and its getting worse. America is NOT a socialist nation, why do so many people not care that we're are heading down that road??? It's so scary that we are losing our country.
I've been on here for 6 years and have no record of "hate speech" - Others I hope can confirm. I'm a very peaceful member.
1Sicklex and I have only clashed on our opinion on Acura which we won't get into because it's just silly.
The satire of the Pledge is absolutely not intended for hate. I LOVE America and what it is SUPPOSED to stand for and what the Constitution is designed to protect. Our founding fathers are already rolling in their graves by recent events and its getting worse. America is NOT a socialist nation, why do so many people not care that we're are heading down that road??? It's so scary that we are losing our country.
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02-21-09, 10:09 PM
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Mike,
My respect for you went up ten fold. I really didn't have a so called "horse in this race." I just simply saw a small flaw in the presentation of a resolution.
With that said, it takes a big man to admit to making a mistake (as minor as that was), and to acknowledge it publicly.
Simply put, you will always have my support and recommendation for moderation for the indefinite future.
My respect for you went up ten fold. I really didn't have a so called "horse in this race." I just simply saw a small flaw in the presentation of a resolution.
With that said, it takes a big man to admit to making a mistake (as minor as that was), and to acknowledge it publicly.
Simply put, you will always have my support and recommendation for moderation for the indefinite future.