I believe Club Lexus is slowly being hijacked
11-04-20, 01:15 AM
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11-04-20, 06:25 AM
#63
Lexus Fanatic
11-04-20, 09:22 AM
#64
Driver School Candidate
One has to remember Lexus is not a stand-alone brand. It is subject to oversight by Toyota. As long as Toyota is making money on Lexus with minimal effort from Toyota all is good. But as soon as there is a fight for market share or sales plummet, the R&D dollars (Yen) start to dry up. Thus you see old models lasting longer, no new innovation in the pipeline and stale products. Is this is what's happening here??
11-04-20, 09:57 AM
#65
I believe the reality we're facing here is Lexus' fall from grace, which isn't entirely a bad thing. Everyone has their prime, everyone has their end. Someone new will uphold the "mantle of responsibility" in breaking the new status-quo. There's already a few automakers like Kia and Hyundai doing just that,(thinking about the Genesis line) and I'm rooting for them, just like I was rooting for Lexus in the late 90s early 00s.
Now despite this, it shouldn't take away from what was. A lot of us here drive either the LS, GS, or IS. There's some SC drivers here too. These are the cars we think of when we think of Lexus excellence, and it would be foolish to think they're perfect/infallible. I've always seen this place as somewhere to reference work on those classics, those older cars that we defiantly choose to keep over newer models, for some of us at least.
I definitely feel a sense of gate-keeping here that really should not exist. This is a pretty big website and there's plenty of room for owners old and new alike. Just take a step back and focus on what matters to you. Enrich your personal circle.
Just another personal note: Calling a Lexus a fancy toyota isn't a bad thing to me at least. Toyota has always been a mainstay of reliability and comfort. They have good general designs and have always made themselves as user-serviceable as possible. If my Lexus is just a Toyota with "fancy parts", that seems like a plus to me.
Now despite this, it shouldn't take away from what was. A lot of us here drive either the LS, GS, or IS. There's some SC drivers here too. These are the cars we think of when we think of Lexus excellence, and it would be foolish to think they're perfect/infallible. I've always seen this place as somewhere to reference work on those classics, those older cars that we defiantly choose to keep over newer models, for some of us at least.
I definitely feel a sense of gate-keeping here that really should not exist. This is a pretty big website and there's plenty of room for owners old and new alike. Just take a step back and focus on what matters to you. Enrich your personal circle.
Just another personal note: Calling a Lexus a fancy toyota isn't a bad thing to me at least. Toyota has always been a mainstay of reliability and comfort. They have good general designs and have always made themselves as user-serviceable as possible. If my Lexus is just a Toyota with "fancy parts", that seems like a plus to me.
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11-04-20, 11:05 AM
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Well Lexus is in some serious trouble from enthusiast's point of view so it's an easy target to pick. I mean I do it all the time because I really have a hard time witnessing Acurasation of L brand by Toyota management. These are the hard times for Japanese premium brands, Infiniti is on the back burner and withdrawing from many markets across the world, Lexus is dropping RWD roster altogether, has no intentions to join turbo game and just waits until market shifts while mass producing mediocre FWD CUVs in the meantime. Acura is trying hard to turn around but it's a long way to the surface from the rabbit hole they've been in last 20 years or so. God I hope they don't settle down as Nissan+ and Toyota+ brands like Acura did and now not even state of the art NSX can help it to rebuild the brand.
I have had my clock stop accepting adjustments to the time whether from GPS or Manual Entries. I suggested to the Dealer that we try rebooting the computer system (disconnect battery/reconnect battery). We didn't do that because we found a Technical Service Bulletin which described much of the same problem (and it also showed Lexus didn't know how the Daylight Savings Adjustment worked) and its remedy was to replace the Clock Assembly to the tune of $600 for the Clock Assembly Part alone. I didn't do it and later in another regular service visit the Battery was disconnected/reconnected and the problem went away. When that happened i called Lexus Corporate Customer Service and gave them Hell for their Corporate Service People not knowing how computer systems worked and/or deliberately trying to rip off the customers by making them pay (out of warranty) for a part which was functioning perfectly well. The only problem was apparently the firmware had become corrupted and required a Re-Boot.
I also repeatedly have many glitches in the Lexus Firmware. Sometimes though not often the Firmware will get out of sync with the operations and you have to start all over such as shutting off the ignition and restarting the car.
So I don't see a well working product in Lexus.
I do have to say though that I am pleased with the amount of metal they put into the car. The car is nice and solid and I fell I have some metal around me to protect me in crashes.
11-04-20, 11:06 AM
#67
Just want to say that the Lexus RC F (and us GS F guys/gals are there too) FB group is a class act. Don't know about other Lexus FB groups, but that one is good. So, if there are any people with a RC F or GS F make sure to check it out.
11-04-20, 11:28 AM
#68
This is it. A lot of us old-timers remember the status quo-busting Lexus and long for its return. We've been subjected to the "Lexus is just a fancy Toyota" for years when it wasn't true in the slightest. Unfortunately, they are slowly but surely living down to that moniker. Of any company, Toyota has the resources to maintain Lexus as a Tier 1 Luxury brand to compete with the Germans. But they don't seem to want that anymore, and that leads to a lot of frustration from enthusiasts who remember how compelling Lexus could be if it really wanted to.
Lexus was always the best of the Japanese Luxury brands, and a true threat to the European brands. Over time they've become less and less of that, instead slowly trending towards the easier (and wrong) path that Acura and Infiniti have taken.
That said, have to give credit where it's due. The LC is a spectacular entry into the GT arena, and a worthy competitor to the 8-series and departing S-class coupe. We need more of that.
Lexus was always the best of the Japanese Luxury brands, and a true threat to the European brands. Over time they've become less and less of that, instead slowly trending towards the easier (and wrong) path that Acura and Infiniti have taken.
That said, have to give credit where it's due. The LC is a spectacular entry into the GT arena, and a worthy competitor to the 8-series and departing S-class coupe. We need more of that.
The decline is much more gradual with Toyota/Lexus, but it’s happening across the board. There are many more quality issues & continued poor fuel mileage on many models, but the most disturbing part is Lexus’s inability or refusal to keep up with logical tech progression. They refuse to make their infotainment systems user friendly & on some models, it’s just a downright ripoff.
Where is this brand & other like it going? As loyal enthusiasts & customers, we wonder why these behemoth automakers have stopped listening to their customers. I used to be a part of the Lexus Advisory Board. I never asked to stop providing input, as I enjoyed learning about new ideas. Suddenly, without any warning or notifications, I stopped getting surveys. This forum is a great place to hear other folks complaints & praises about a multitude of vehicles, especially ones we don’t own, but may be interested in. My personal opinion is, if we don’t like a particular post or topic, KEEP SCROLLING! If you don’t have anything constructive one way or the other to add to the conversation, then stay out of it. No harm, no foul & no one gets butthurt. I resent being censored, but I realize that topics are chosen for a reason & if I go off on a tangent, I deserve my post to be removed. That’s the rules & we all agreed to them when we joined. Just be mindful that not all posts and/or topics are worth interjecting our two cents into.
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11-04-20, 11:33 AM
#69
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Just another personal note: Calling a Lexus a fancy toyota isn't a bad thing to me at least. Toyota has always been a mainstay of reliability and comfort. They have good general designs and have always made themselves as user-serviceable as possible. If my Lexus is just a Toyota with "fancy parts", that seems like a plus to me.
The trouble comes when that logic is applied to an entire full-line brand playing in the luxury space, because then you get Acura. Those of us who love Lexus (which is most of us), don't want Lexus to become the Toyota flavor of Acura. It was eons away from that in the past, but we see it inching ever-closer.
11-04-20, 11:34 AM
#70
Driver School Candidate
Im a member of countless forums and I learned to wade through the bulls#!t posts yrs ago. I value & respect all members and I joined each & every forum to both learn from & help those with their problems. I see them looking for fights, smarta$$ comments and some grammar the all mighty Lord can't possibly understand but in the end the majority of us come to these forums and we learn something or tried to help those in need and that's all that really matters. They never stop us from doing that at all!
Not one forum I've ever been on is short on these smarta$$ disrespectful "members", sorry thats just a part of the internet world so we must learn to live with them all.
I've dealt with them over 20yrs and I learned ignoring their presence is always best.
I see them like an idiot with a stick poking monkeys in a cage out of pure boredom.
I assure you he'll quickly move on to the next cage if the smarter monkeys pay no attention to him and continue playing with all the other smarter monkeys in our cage as if the idiot wasn't even there...lol
Not one forum I've ever been on is short on these smarta$$ disrespectful "members", sorry thats just a part of the internet world so we must learn to live with them all.
I've dealt with them over 20yrs and I learned ignoring their presence is always best.
I see them like an idiot with a stick poking monkeys in a cage out of pure boredom.
I assure you he'll quickly move on to the next cage if the smarter monkeys pay no attention to him and continue playing with all the other smarter monkeys in our cage as if the idiot wasn't even there...lol
11-04-20, 02:43 PM
#73
CL is like life. You filter out what is for you and what is not. You stand up for what you believe, and you share what you know with others. Get into the weeds, and you will be stuck in there. Complain and some ears might listen. Listen, and you will appreciate the dynamic of human interactions unless you are in a bad mood; then everything on earth is hell all over.
11-04-20, 04:42 PM
#74
Lexus Champion
CL is like life. You filter out what is for you and what is not. You stand up for what you believe, and you share what you know with others. Get into the weeds, and you will be stuck in there. Complain and some ears might listen. Listen, and you will appreciate the dynamic of human interactions unless you are in a bad mood; then everything on earth is hell all over.
Forums can also be therapeutic. Especially for big writers and people who love to have conversations, like myself. Yes I start rambling sometimes but just typing away, interacting does provide a sort of “zen” or whatever it is. It’s a nice part of my day. I hate that my cell phone destroys my posts and am sorry if it’s annoying to read. Never used my phone before until recently.
We also all know A LOT about cars here. Not just Lexus.
11-04-20, 04:58 PM
#75
Lexus Fanatic
I don’t think your posts are hard to read at all...