I believe Club Lexus is slowly being hijacked
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Thank you for removing some posts; I actually hope you step up the process, because I think this web discussion group is slowly being hijacked.
Over the last few years I have been losing faith in ClubLexus, often feeling uncomfortable at the snide tone, immature attitude and lack of objectivity of a small but growing number of posters. They don't preface their statements with "I think.." or "In my opinion..". Instead, their declarations ("The new styling is ugly..") and assumptions ("...the only people who drive an RX are ...") sound just like immature high school sports rivalries. Or worse, like some of the grown men and women down here in the South who still squabble about Ford vs Chevy.
These pirates sure are taking the fun out of being a member of a cool discussion group where calm, regular people should be able to share info and opinions -- and want to do so with the same class and courtesy that the Lexus trademark implies.
Finally, this is the one place where we shouldn't hafta worry that our typos, spelling or grammar will be thrown back in our faces or used as ammo to bolster some pathetic squabble. Relax yawl, have some fun, enjoy and respect the collective wisdom and knowledge and curiosity that can be found in these terrific forums (oops, I guess somebody will argue that I should have typed 'fora').
And if you do have an axe to grind, just take the time to be objective and make sure your post is clearly labeled as your opinion and not a challenge to other members' ideas, thoughts or to the Lexus model they drive.
Over the last few years I have been losing faith in ClubLexus, often feeling uncomfortable at the snide tone, immature attitude and lack of objectivity of a small but growing number of posters. They don't preface their statements with "I think.." or "In my opinion..". Instead, their declarations ("The new styling is ugly..") and assumptions ("...the only people who drive an RX are ...") sound just like immature high school sports rivalries. Or worse, like some of the grown men and women down here in the South who still squabble about Ford vs Chevy.
These pirates sure are taking the fun out of being a member of a cool discussion group where calm, regular people should be able to share info and opinions -- and want to do so with the same class and courtesy that the Lexus trademark implies.
Finally, this is the one place where we shouldn't hafta worry that our typos, spelling or grammar will be thrown back in our faces or used as ammo to bolster some pathetic squabble. Relax yawl, have some fun, enjoy and respect the collective wisdom and knowledge and curiosity that can be found in these terrific forums (oops, I guess somebody will argue that I should have typed 'fora').
And if you do have an axe to grind, just take the time to be objective and make sure your post is clearly labeled as your opinion and not a challenge to other members' ideas, thoughts or to the Lexus model they drive.
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this new thread is stupid and pointless... the only people who'd start a thread like this live in the carolinas...
ok lol but on a serious note i think many people feel that there's a lack of class and courtesy from toyota/lexus who has fallen way behind the competition in many key areas, and who seemingly has no interest in pleasing us enthusiasts that want to see lexus once again relentlessly pursue perfection
and i really can't say i've noticed an abundance of grammar-nazism here, but if bad spelling or grammar prevents an idea from being effectively and clearly communicated then it absolutely should be called out
ok lol but on a serious note i think many people feel that there's a lack of class and courtesy from toyota/lexus who has fallen way behind the competition in many key areas, and who seemingly has no interest in pleasing us enthusiasts that want to see lexus once again relentlessly pursue perfection
and i really can't say i've noticed an abundance of grammar-nazism here, but if bad spelling or grammar prevents an idea from being effectively and clearly communicated then it absolutely should be called out
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Well, the alternative is facebook groups, which are cancer. So I would suggest you checkout the Lexus facebook groups and then report back as to whether this is really that bad..
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Well Lexus is in some serious trouble from enthusiast's point of view so it's an easy target to pick. I mean I do it all the time because I really have a hard time witnessing Acurasation of L brand by Toyota management. These are the hard times for Japanese premium brands, Infiniti is on the back burner and withdrawing from many markets across the world, Lexus is dropping RWD roster altogether, has no intentions to join turbo game and just waits until market shifts while mass producing mediocre FWD CUVs in the meantime. Acura is trying hard to turn around but it's a long way to the surface from the rabbit hole they've been in last 20 years or so. God I hope they don't settle down as Nissan+ and Toyota+ brands like Acura did and now not even state of the art NSX can help it to rebuild the brand.
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Over the last few years I have been losing faith in ClubLexus, often feeling uncomfortable at the snide tone, immature attitude and lack of objectivity of a small but growing number of posters.
But I have also noticed, in my own lifetime, that nothing automotive is necessarily cast in stone, and issues that may elate (or enrage) you at one time (like Ford and GM dropping most of their sedans) tend to fade with time. For instance, I'm not as angry about it now as I was two years ago (and during the long, bitter GM/UAW strike that followed)..and have even decided to get one of GM's crossovers for myself.
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They don't preface their statements with "I think.." or "In my opinion..". Instead, their declarations ("The new styling is ugly..") and assumptions ("...the only people who drive an RX are ...") sound just like immature high school sports rivalries.
Or worse, like some of the grown men and women down here in the South who still squabble about Ford vs Chevy.
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Finally, this is the one place where we shouldn't hafta worry that our typos, spelling or grammar will be thrown back in our faces or used as ammo to bolster some pathetic squabble. Relax yawl, have some fun, enjoy and respect the collective wisdom and knowledge and curiosity that can be found in these terrific forums (oops, I guess somebody will argue that I should have typed 'fora').
And if you do have an axe to grind, just take the time to be objective and make sure your post is clearly labeled as your opinion and not a challenge to other members' ideas, thoughts or to the Lexus model they drive.
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Well Lexus is in some serious trouble from enthusiast's point of view so it's an easy target to pick. I mean I do it all the time because I really have a hard time witnessing Acurasation of L brand by Toyota management. These are the hard times for Japanese premium brands, Infiniti is on the back burner and withdrawing from many markets across the world, Lexus is dropping RWD roster altogether, has no intentions to join turbo game and just waits until market shifts while mass producing mediocre FWD CUVs in the meantime. Acura is trying hard to turn around but it's a long way to the surface from the rabbit hole they've been in last 20 years or so. God I hope they don't settle down as Nissan+ and Toyota+ brands like Acura did and now not even state of the art NSX can help it to rebuild the brand.
Lexus was always the best of the Japanese Luxury brands, and a true threat to the European brands. Over time they've become less and less of that, instead slowly trending towards the easier (and wrong) path that Acura and Infiniti have taken.
That said, have to give credit where it's due. The LC is a spectacular entry into the GT arena, and a worthy competitor to the 8-series and departing S-class coupe. We need more of that.
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I don't know all the facts winsalem, but seeing as you own an RX and presented a very specific and uncommon scenario, it sounds like you got in an argument with someone about your car and took it personally as an attack on your identity, and are now projecting that person you argued with onto the whole board. That's not very fair to most of the members on this board, and if you have a deep grudge against someone, it's better to just PM them instead of airing the dirty laundry.
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I've been a part of this forum for ages, as well as dozens of others. I do not see anything out of the ordinary here. All the things the OP listed are normal and appear in other car brand groups. It is the nature of chatboards and the internet. Expecting respect and order from online masses will never ever happen.
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The only mainstream luxury brand who hasn’t sold out is Mercedes.
BMW got ugly/soft and Lexus is following the Acura/Infiniti business model.
I bought my 99 GS400 in 2009 when I was poor. I traded it in on my 13 GS350 in 2015 when I started making money. Now, finally I can afford to buy a new one aaaaaand poof, gone, Lexus doesn’t have any sedans worth buying.
BMW got ugly/soft and Lexus is following the Acura/Infiniti business model.
I bought my 99 GS400 in 2009 when I was poor. I traded it in on my 13 GS350 in 2015 when I started making money. Now, finally I can afford to buy a new one aaaaaand poof, gone, Lexus doesn’t have any sedans worth buying.
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The only mainstream luxury brand who hasn’t sold out is Mercedes.
BMW got ugly/soft and Lexus is following the Acura/Infiniti business model.
I bought my 99 GS400 in 2009 when I was poor. I traded it in on my 13 GS350 in 2015 when I started making money. Now, finally I can afford to buy a new one aaaaaand poof, gone, Lexus doesn’t have any sedans worth buying.
BMW got ugly/soft and Lexus is following the Acura/Infiniti business model.
I bought my 99 GS400 in 2009 when I was poor. I traded it in on my 13 GS350 in 2015 when I started making money. Now, finally I can afford to buy a new one aaaaaand poof, gone, Lexus doesn’t have any sedans worth buying.
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Nonsense thread.
CL is a lively and fun forum—I’ve been on lots over the years and none come close to this. Problems are promptly dealt with. There is a sense of unity. And there is TONS of information to be learned.
CL is a lively and fun forum—I’ve been on lots over the years and none come close to this. Problems are promptly dealt with. There is a sense of unity. And there is TONS of information to be learned.
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Thank you for removing some posts; I actually hope you step up the process, because I think this web discussion group is slowly being hijacked.
Over the last few years I have been losing faith in ClubLexus, often feeling uncomfortable at the snide tone, immature attitude and lack of objectivity of a small but growing number of posters. They don't preface their statements with "I think.." or "In my opinion..". Instead, their declarations ("The new styling is ugly..") and assumptions ("...the only people who drive an RX are ...") sound just like immature high school sports rivalries. Or worse, like some of the grown men and women down here in the South who still squabble about Ford vs Chevy.
These pirates sure are taking the fun out of being a member of a cool discussion group where calm, regular people should be able to share info and opinions -- and want to do so with the same class and courtesy that the Lexus trademark implies.
Finally, this is the one place where we shouldn't hafta worry that our typos, spelling or grammar will be thrown back in our faces or used as ammo to bolster some pathetic squabble. Relax yawl, have some fun, enjoy and respect the collective wisdom and knowledge and curiosity that can be found in these terrific forums (oops, I guess somebody will argue that I should have typed 'fora').
And if you do have an axe to grind, just take the time to be objective and make sure your post is clearly labeled as your opinion and not a challenge to other members' ideas, thoughts or to the Lexus model they drive.
Over the last few years I have been losing faith in ClubLexus, often feeling uncomfortable at the snide tone, immature attitude and lack of objectivity of a small but growing number of posters. They don't preface their statements with "I think.." or "In my opinion..". Instead, their declarations ("The new styling is ugly..") and assumptions ("...the only people who drive an RX are ...") sound just like immature high school sports rivalries. Or worse, like some of the grown men and women down here in the South who still squabble about Ford vs Chevy.
These pirates sure are taking the fun out of being a member of a cool discussion group where calm, regular people should be able to share info and opinions -- and want to do so with the same class and courtesy that the Lexus trademark implies.
Finally, this is the one place where we shouldn't hafta worry that our typos, spelling or grammar will be thrown back in our faces or used as ammo to bolster some pathetic squabble. Relax yawl, have some fun, enjoy and respect the collective wisdom and knowledge and curiosity that can be found in these terrific forums (oops, I guess somebody will argue that I should have typed 'fora').
And if you do have an axe to grind, just take the time to be objective and make sure your post is clearly labeled as your opinion and not a challenge to other members' ideas, thoughts or to the Lexus model they drive.
Your comment about grammar remined me of one of the most classless post when a member commented about a post with no commas or periods. I and everyone else but this one bully understood the members post without commas but they just had to comment about it in a very ugly and mean way. Again the moderators were crickets.
Great post and thanks for it. Hope it does not again go on deaf ears.
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Thank you for removing some posts; I actually hope you step up the process, because I think this web discussion group is slowly being hijacked.
Over the last few years I have been losing faith in ClubLexus, often feeling uncomfortable at the snide tone, immature attitude and lack of objectivity of a small but growing number of posters. They don't preface their statements with "I think.." or "In my opinion..". Instead, their declarations ("The new styling is ugly..") and assumptions ("...the only people who drive an RX are ...") sound just like immature high school sports rivalries. Or worse, like some of the grown men and women down here in the South who still squabble about Ford vs Chevy.
These pirates sure are taking the fun out of being a member of a cool discussion group where calm, regular people should be able to share info and opinions -- and want to do so with the same class and courtesy that the Lexus trademark implies.
Finally, this is the one place where we shouldn't hafta worry that our typos, spelling or grammar will be thrown back in our faces or used as ammo to bolster some pathetic squabble. Relax yawl, have some fun, enjoy and respect the collective wisdom and knowledge and curiosity that can be found in these terrific forums (oops, I guess somebody will argue that I should have typed 'fora').
And if you do have an axe to grind, just take the time to be objective and make sure your post is clearly labeled as your opinion and not a challenge to other members' ideas, thoughts or to the Lexus model they drive.
Over the last few years I have been losing faith in ClubLexus, often feeling uncomfortable at the snide tone, immature attitude and lack of objectivity of a small but growing number of posters. They don't preface their statements with "I think.." or "In my opinion..". Instead, their declarations ("The new styling is ugly..") and assumptions ("...the only people who drive an RX are ...") sound just like immature high school sports rivalries. Or worse, like some of the grown men and women down here in the South who still squabble about Ford vs Chevy.
These pirates sure are taking the fun out of being a member of a cool discussion group where calm, regular people should be able to share info and opinions -- and want to do so with the same class and courtesy that the Lexus trademark implies.
Finally, this is the one place where we shouldn't hafta worry that our typos, spelling or grammar will be thrown back in our faces or used as ammo to bolster some pathetic squabble. Relax yawl, have some fun, enjoy and respect the collective wisdom and knowledge and curiosity that can be found in these terrific forums (oops, I guess somebody will argue that I should have typed 'fora').
And if you do have an axe to grind, just take the time to be objective and make sure your post is clearly labeled as your opinion and not a challenge to other members' ideas, thoughts or to the Lexus model they drive.