review of tein HA, Flex, and CS coilvers on GS400
#136
Lexus Test Driver
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Coilover stiffness rates
This is courtesy of Manaray
Here are a couple more for JIC MAGIC
JIC FLT-A2 - 14/10
JIC SF-1 12/9
I've got the JIC FLT-A2 it is the same rating as the Tein HA
I love them but my wife does not like riding in my car.
She does not like feeling the bumps in the road.
Fine with me, I get tired of the screaming as I go around curves.
Seriously she has her own GS400 and likes the cushy stock shocks. If I can talk her into it someday I would like to put some Tein CS's on her car as I know it would handle better. I hate the way the stock shocks seem to float over bumps.
I would love to try out those RA's they must really handle nice.
Ivan
3dog
Originally Posted by Manaray
Here is a list of coilover spring rates of available coilover systems that I've put together...these are for the JZS16x and JSZ147 Aristos (aka: 2nd GS300/GS400/GS430 and 1st generation GS300). All numbers are Kg/mm^2 and the lower the number, the softer the ride. I have listed them from softest (near stock) to stiffest (hope you have a well padded ***!)...however, some setups use pretty stiff front springs with soft rear springs so it's not an exact softest to stiffest list...
Generally, the dampening rates are matched to the springs (so soft dampening with soft springs)
There are a few missing (like H&R...I'm calling them tommorow) so I'll update this list as I get them...if anyone has additions or corrections, please post in this thread...
JZS160/161
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HKS LS: 7/5
TOM'S Advox: 7.7/5.7
TRD Sportivo: 7.9/7.7
APEX WS: 8.5/6
kg/mm Super Touring Spec: 9/6.5
Tein CS: 9/8
HKS HiperMax II: 10/6
Tein Flex: 10/9
Blitz Sachs Damper SP7: 10.21/8.17
C-One: 12/9
Bilstein PSS:12.25/8.17
Aragosta: 12.3/10.8
NPG Sports: 13/8
Nishiki/Bilstein: 14/7
Section Spec RM/A-8: 14/8
Abflug ECS-III Scoot Tune: 14/10
Tein HA: 14/10
Ohlins: 14/12
Falcon v1: 14/12
Quantum CR 16/6
Cusco: 16/10
APEX N1: 16/12
Sard GT Spec: 16/14
Tein RA: 18/12
Falcon v2: 18/14
Zeal Function-Zi: 18/14
Zeal Function-S6: 18/14 (option for 20/16)
Reckless Quatum: 20/16 (more like "Wrecked ****")
JZS147
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HKS LS: 7/5
HKS HiperMax II: 10/6
NPG Sports: 12/6
GAB Revolution Stroke II: 14/8
Zeal Function-Zi: 14/10
Zeal Function-S6: 14/10 (option for 16/12)
Generally, the dampening rates are matched to the springs (so soft dampening with soft springs)
There are a few missing (like H&R...I'm calling them tommorow) so I'll update this list as I get them...if anyone has additions or corrections, please post in this thread...
JZS160/161
---------------
HKS LS: 7/5
TOM'S Advox: 7.7/5.7
TRD Sportivo: 7.9/7.7
APEX WS: 8.5/6
kg/mm Super Touring Spec: 9/6.5
Tein CS: 9/8
HKS HiperMax II: 10/6
Tein Flex: 10/9
Blitz Sachs Damper SP7: 10.21/8.17
C-One: 12/9
Bilstein PSS:12.25/8.17
Aragosta: 12.3/10.8
NPG Sports: 13/8
Nishiki/Bilstein: 14/7
Section Spec RM/A-8: 14/8
Abflug ECS-III Scoot Tune: 14/10
Tein HA: 14/10
Ohlins: 14/12
Falcon v1: 14/12
Quantum CR 16/6
Cusco: 16/10
APEX N1: 16/12
Sard GT Spec: 16/14
Tein RA: 18/12
Falcon v2: 18/14
Zeal Function-Zi: 18/14
Zeal Function-S6: 18/14 (option for 20/16)
Reckless Quatum: 20/16 (more like "Wrecked ****")
JZS147
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HKS LS: 7/5
HKS HiperMax II: 10/6
NPG Sports: 12/6
GAB Revolution Stroke II: 14/8
Zeal Function-Zi: 14/10
Zeal Function-S6: 14/10 (option for 16/12)
Here are a couple more for JIC MAGIC
JIC FLT-A2 - 14/10
JIC SF-1 12/9
I've got the JIC FLT-A2 it is the same rating as the Tein HA
I love them but my wife does not like riding in my car.
She does not like feeling the bumps in the road.
Fine with me, I get tired of the screaming as I go around curves.
Seriously she has her own GS400 and likes the cushy stock shocks. If I can talk her into it someday I would like to put some Tein CS's on her car as I know it would handle better. I hate the way the stock shocks seem to float over bumps.
I would love to try out those RA's they must really handle nice.
Ivan
3dog
#139
Originally Posted by 3dog
This is courtesy of Manaray
Here are a couple more for JIC MAGIC
JIC FLT-A2 - 14/10
JIC SF-1 12/9
I've got the JIC FLT-A2 it is the same rating as the Tein HA
I love them but my wife does not like riding in my car.
She does not like feeling the bumps in the road.
Fine with me, I get tired of the screaming as I go around curves.
Seriously she has her own GS400 and likes the cushy stock shocks. If I can talk her into it someday I would like to put some Tein CS's on her car as I know it would handle better. I hate the way the stock shocks seem to float over bumps.
I would love to try out those RA's they must really handle nice.
Ivan
3dog
Here are a couple more for JIC MAGIC
JIC FLT-A2 - 14/10
JIC SF-1 12/9
I've got the JIC FLT-A2 it is the same rating as the Tein HA
I love them but my wife does not like riding in my car.
She does not like feeling the bumps in the road.
Fine with me, I get tired of the screaming as I go around curves.
Seriously she has her own GS400 and likes the cushy stock shocks. If I can talk her into it someday I would like to put some Tein CS's on her car as I know it would handle better. I hate the way the stock shocks seem to float over bumps.
I would love to try out those RA's they must really handle nice.
Ivan
3dog
That's the compression and rebound force of the shock part and that is what really determines the coilover's characteristics.
#140
To clarify my question, will the Tein HA's ride like a 2002+ m3? Thanks for the great response guys. I really appreciate all of your help. Personally, I love to be one with the road on weekends.
#141
Originally Posted by FunGuy
To clarify my question, will the Tein HA's ride like a 2002+ m3? Thanks for the great response guys. I really appreciate all of your help. Personally, I love to be one with the road on weekends.
and the problem with the softest settings is that the car actually rebounce pretty funny
#144
Lexus Fanatic
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Originally Posted by FunGuy
I guess nobody hear has ever driven in a bimmer.
HAs though will be stiffer than most any BMWs except MAYBE the most recent M3 which is quite stiff and 'jiggly'.
Last edited by bitkahuna; 09-28-05 at 12:02 PM.
#145
Lexus Fanatic
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Originally Posted by FunGuy
To clarify my question, will the Tein HA's ride like a 2002+ m3? Thanks for the great response guys. I really appreciate all of your help. Personally, I love to be one with the road on weekends.
#146
You guys are so mean. I just want to drop my car the right way. Don't hate and discriminate. I still own a nice lexus just like everyone else here on this forum. I don't feel the love here anymore. I guess Club Lexus wasn't the second home I was looking for.
#148
The One
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Originally Posted by FunGuy
You guys are so mean. I just want to drop my car the right way. Don't hate and discriminate. I still own a nice lexus just like everyone else here on this forum. I don't feel the love here anymore. I guess Club Lexus wasn't the second home I was looking for.
#149
Lexus Fanatic
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Originally Posted by FunGuy
You guys are so mean. I just want to drop my car the right way. Don't hate and discriminate. I still own a nice lexus just like everyone else here on this forum. I don't feel the love here anymore. I guess Club Lexus wasn't the second home I was looking for.
Now will coilovers make your car handle better? SURE! Just want you to have realistic expectations.
#150
to float over bumps
Originally Posted by 3dog
Seriously she has her own GS400 and likes the cushy stock shocks. I hate the way the stock shocks seem to float over bumps.
Ivan
I would love that, to mod mine and casually drive hers. What I don't understand Ivan is that you hate the way stock shocks float over bumps.... I totally love the sitting in a bowl of jello like feeling that comes with a stock suspension but I do want to keep the car from swaying and tilting in turns. Is it possible to have both?