TRD strut tower bar fitment problems?
06-02-04, 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by engin_ear
Is it true that you can't get the engine cover on/off with the TRD STB on??? It looks to me like you can sneak it under, but I may be wrong.
Is it true that you can't get the engine cover on/off with the TRD STB on??? It looks to me like you can sneak it under, but I may be wrong.
06-02-04, 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by engin_ear
Does the engine get much dirtier wthout the cover on? I'm not sure why I'd want to leave the cover on if you have to take the bar off every time you want to get to the engine....any good reason?
Does the engine get much dirtier wthout the cover on? I'm not sure why I'd want to leave the cover on if you have to take the bar off every time you want to get to the engine....any good reason?
the engine cover is for cosmetic and a bit noise reduction i think, so...
06-02-04, 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by redgs4
Yep, I remove my front strut bar before bringing my car to the dealer, too. One less thing that can go wrong. And one less thing they can charge you for...
Yep, I remove my front strut bar before bringing my car to the dealer, too. One less thing that can go wrong. And one less thing they can charge you for...
06-02-04, 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by engin_ear
Flexing is definitely the issue - I'm having the same problem right now. There's no way that the struts themselves are off due to mounting, the strut towers (body) have moved/flexed.
I need to get the mounting studs to move away from center and toward the outside of the car to get the STB to drop onto them. Looks like I need to jack the car underneath from the center so that the wheels fall outward and pull the panels and suspension outward. Need to find jack point for underneath GS in center.
Doesn't all this mean that if you have to do this to begin with, that when you take your car in to the dealer to be serviced, they may not be able to get it off, and then will refuse to work on it????? Anybody have this happen to them yet????
Is it true that you can't get the engine cover on/off with the TRD STB on??? It looks to me like you can sneak it under, but I may be wrong.
Flexing is definitely the issue - I'm having the same problem right now. There's no way that the struts themselves are off due to mounting, the strut towers (body) have moved/flexed.
I need to get the mounting studs to move away from center and toward the outside of the car to get the STB to drop onto them. Looks like I need to jack the car underneath from the center so that the wheels fall outward and pull the panels and suspension outward. Need to find jack point for underneath GS in center.
Doesn't all this mean that if you have to do this to begin with, that when you take your car in to the dealer to be serviced, they may not be able to get it off, and then will refuse to work on it????? Anybody have this happen to them yet????
Is it true that you can't get the engine cover on/off with the TRD STB on??? It looks to me like you can sneak it under, but I may be wrong.
to add if mine where from flex the strut towers (body) would have room for play as well and they dont ...
so not all issues point to body flexed.
but non the less all feed back is good as it helps point out other options on problems.
06-03-04, 07:46 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RanGer498
[B]no not definitly ..see if it where the strut towers (body) that have moved/flexed then the mounting holes would have no room for play at all and mine do/did, i was at a shop today and asked them for there feed back and they said its not from flex thats for sure .
*I'm not getting your point., sorry, but maybe I'm missing something. Most people that had this problem have gotten the bar to fit by jacking up the car and causing the body to flex (in the opposite direction). Since that is the case, the body is prone to flex, and this is what causes the problem to begin with, assuming that cars that are coming out of the factory are dead-on. Ideally the STB just drops onto your strut tower studs - there's enough play in the mounting holes of the STB. When this can't happen, the car was either not built right from the factory (not likely!), or the body assembly has flexed. If the body was stiff enough, all STB's would drop right on all the time. I don't think there is enough play in the factory mounting of the strut assembly to be very far off.
to add if mine where from flex the strut towers (body) would have room for play as well and they dont ...
so not all issues point to body flexed.
*What room for play are you referring to? It is the body flex that takes away the room for play.
[B]no not definitly ..see if it where the strut towers (body) that have moved/flexed then the mounting holes would have no room for play at all and mine do/did, i was at a shop today and asked them for there feed back and they said its not from flex thats for sure .
*I'm not getting your point., sorry, but maybe I'm missing something. Most people that had this problem have gotten the bar to fit by jacking up the car and causing the body to flex (in the opposite direction). Since that is the case, the body is prone to flex, and this is what causes the problem to begin with, assuming that cars that are coming out of the factory are dead-on. Ideally the STB just drops onto your strut tower studs - there's enough play in the mounting holes of the STB. When this can't happen, the car was either not built right from the factory (not likely!), or the body assembly has flexed. If the body was stiff enough, all STB's would drop right on all the time. I don't think there is enough play in the factory mounting of the strut assembly to be very far off.
to add if mine where from flex the strut towers (body) would have room for play as well and they dont ...
so not all issues point to body flexed.
*What room for play are you referring to? It is the body flex that takes away the room for play.
06-03-04, 04:01 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by engin_ear
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Ideally(if this where a perfect world) the STB does just drops onto the strut tower studs - there's enough play in the mounting holes of the STB. When this can't happen, the car was either not built right from the factory (not likely!), or the body assembly has flexed or the strut tower studs HAVE MOVED A TAD BIT
i need to restate what i said thow .."i dont think flexing is the issue ,its more as how the sturts where installed from the factory."as it did not come out right ..what i meant to say was that i dont think flexing is always the issue its more as how the sturts where installed from the factory or how they have mabe moved a bit over time.
like i stated and some stated they jacked the car up and kicked the tire to allow the struts studs to move a tad bit to allow the strut bar to go over the studs,by just jacking the car up mine did not go in to allow the strut bar to go over the studs (mabe because i jacked it up on a lift so i did not really give the body a chance to flex like you state.)...and yes there is enough play for the strut studs to be off . mine was off by a hairline .
if you think there is not enough room for play on the strut studs you need to look at them closely .
and yes the strut bar does have enough play in the mounting holes to allow for body flex but it does not compensate for the struts studs total movements.
i understand your point but you need to understand mine as well.
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Originally posted by RanGer498
no not definitly ..see if it where the strut towers (body) that have moved/flexed then the mounting holes would have no room for play at all and mine do/did, i was at a shop today and asked them for there feed back and they said its not from flex thats for sure .
*I'm not getting your point., sorry, but maybe I'm missing something. Most people that had this problem have gotten the bar to fit by jacking up the car and causing the body to flex (in the opposite direction). Since that is the case, the body is prone to flex, and this is what causes the problem to begin with, assuming that cars that are coming out of the factory are dead-on. Ideally the STB just drops onto your strut tower studs - there's enough play in the mounting holes of the STB. When this can't happen, the car was either not built right from the factory (not likely!), or the body assembly has flexed. If the body was stiff enough, all STB's would drop right on all the time. I don't think there is enough play in the factory mounting of the strut assembly to be very far off.
to add if mine where from flex the strut towers (body) would have room for play as well and they dont ...
so not all issues point to body flexed.
*What room for play are you referring to? It is the body flex that takes away the room for play.
no not definitly ..see if it where the strut towers (body) that have moved/flexed then the mounting holes would have no room for play at all and mine do/did, i was at a shop today and asked them for there feed back and they said its not from flex thats for sure .
*I'm not getting your point., sorry, but maybe I'm missing something. Most people that had this problem have gotten the bar to fit by jacking up the car and causing the body to flex (in the opposite direction). Since that is the case, the body is prone to flex, and this is what causes the problem to begin with, assuming that cars that are coming out of the factory are dead-on. Ideally the STB just drops onto your strut tower studs - there's enough play in the mounting holes of the STB. When this can't happen, the car was either not built right from the factory (not likely!), or the body assembly has flexed. If the body was stiff enough, all STB's would drop right on all the time. I don't think there is enough play in the factory mounting of the strut assembly to be very far off.
to add if mine where from flex the strut towers (body) would have room for play as well and they dont ...
so not all issues point to body flexed.
*What room for play are you referring to? It is the body flex that takes away the room for play.
i need to restate what i said thow .."i dont think flexing is the issue ,its more as how the sturts where installed from the factory."as it did not come out right ..what i meant to say was that i dont think flexing is always the issue its more as how the sturts where installed from the factory or how they have mabe moved a bit over time.
like i stated and some stated they jacked the car up and kicked the tire to allow the struts studs to move a tad bit to allow the strut bar to go over the studs,by just jacking the car up mine did not go in to allow the strut bar to go over the studs (mabe because i jacked it up on a lift so i did not really give the body a chance to flex like you state.)...and yes there is enough play for the strut studs to be off . mine was off by a hairline .
if you think there is not enough room for play on the strut studs you need to look at them closely .
and yes the strut bar does have enough play in the mounting holes to allow for body flex but it does not compensate for the struts studs total movements.
i understand your point but you need to understand mine as well.
Last edited by RanGer498; 06-03-04 at 04:05 PM.
06-04-04, 07:22 AM
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Thanks for the picture. I see your point from the picture. I'll bet that your studs vs. STB are not as far off as mine - they are so far off that it can't be from only the play in the strut mounting holes. I need to get the struts to move about 1/4" to 1/2".
06-04-04, 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by engin_ear
Thanks for the picture. I see your point from the picture. I'll bet that your studs vs. STB are not as far off as mine - they are so far off that it can't be from only the play in the strut mounting holes. I need to get the struts to move about 1/4" to 1/2".
Thanks for the picture. I see your point from the picture. I'll bet that your studs vs. STB are not as far off as mine - they are so far off that it can't be from only the play in the strut mounting holes. I need to get the struts to move about 1/4" to 1/2".
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