Is350 Endless Brake!!
#31
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Originally Posted by rys
I get my good insurance through State Farm, thanks
I don't say the same about any mod, I do however say this about this mod when $3700 / $37000 = 10%. If you want to spend 10% of the base price of the vehicle on brakes that will hardly get any use, be my guest.
#32
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Originally Posted by Tony1
I was under the impression that our OEM brakes were more than decent, is it really worth spending 3gs to fix something that's not really broken??
and before you ask, i have gs400 and sc430. the gs400 with ap racing brakes and sc430 with stoptech. so i know what good brakes are and what bad ones are. the gs400 stock ones were garbage to begin with. the sc430 ones were good, but as usual, after long distance drive, fade bad
moreover, if you get aftermarket wheels, usually larger and possibly heavier, the stock brakes might fade faster as well.
to me, getting brakes for these cars are almost a must already, especially if i get wheels.
#33
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Originally Posted by rys
I get my good insurance through State Farm, thanks
I don't say the same about any mod, I do however say this about this mod when $3700 / $37000 = 10%. If you want to spend 10% of the base price of the vehicle on brakes that will hardly get any use, be my guest.
I do carve up the canyons from time to time, but the runs aren't long enough to fade the brakes being as big as they come. If I lived in Europe and could run a canyon for 5-10 miles, maybe that'd be a different story, but even then I'd be worried about the Endless kit fading in that sort of situation.
-Brian
I don't say the same about any mod, I do however say this about this mod when $3700 / $37000 = 10%. If you want to spend 10% of the base price of the vehicle on brakes that will hardly get any use, be my guest.
I do carve up the canyons from time to time, but the runs aren't long enough to fade the brakes being as big as they come. If I lived in Europe and could run a canyon for 5-10 miles, maybe that'd be a different story, but even then I'd be worried about the Endless kit fading in that sort of situation.
-Brian
in any case, probably mods are not really for you i guess, but 10% of the value of the car is nothing for mods imho. look into the GS forums and you see tons of people buying their cars for maybe 30k and then spend 30k on mods, that's nothing special. it's more about passion on your car and everyone is different. i don't think that would be a good reason for you to say it's an "excuse" for someone to spend 4k (most likely more) on their car. we all try to respect other members here
like i said in my other example, a simple 350 drives from socal to norcal, the brakes on BOTH my gs400 and sc430 were fading already. far from a good setup imho
#34
By hardly get used, I don't mean at all, I mean the mod isn't hardly justified for most people. The car already comes with brakes, so by "mod being used", I mean, the extra braking potential from the mod being utilized.
Also, I miscalculated, it's actually 20% of the price of the vehicle. I know all about modding, I sank $10k into a Mitsubishi Eclipse that was probably worth about $14k at the time.
It's all about cost versus benefit. If you are a big baller and have $80k to throw into your IS350, then more power to you.
As far as brakes being impressive. Well. I said mine are adequete. I have no idea how you drive, but I've got a good guess on how. If you're a very aggressive driver, the street might as well be a canyon for you, so I can see how your brakes would fade.
I allow that it does differ from person to person, I'm just making a statement for the typical IS owner - and that is that these Endless brand brakes are a waste of money. If I was looking at a BBK, I'd go Stoptech for the price.
-Brian
Also, I miscalculated, it's actually 20% of the price of the vehicle. I know all about modding, I sank $10k into a Mitsubishi Eclipse that was probably worth about $14k at the time.
It's all about cost versus benefit. If you are a big baller and have $80k to throw into your IS350, then more power to you.
As far as brakes being impressive. Well. I said mine are adequete. I have no idea how you drive, but I've got a good guess on how. If you're a very aggressive driver, the street might as well be a canyon for you, so I can see how your brakes would fade.
I allow that it does differ from person to person, I'm just making a statement for the typical IS owner - and that is that these Endless brand brakes are a waste of money. If I was looking at a BBK, I'd go Stoptech for the price.
-Brian
#35
rominl you're making BBKs like the only solution.
my 2is breaks are still subpar imo. if i need better stopping power i'll change out pads. but a BBK is just not worth it for street use. i don't care how far you are driving or in what conditions its overkill.
my 2is breaks are still subpar imo. if i need better stopping power i'll change out pads. but a BBK is just not worth it for street use. i don't care how far you are driving or in what conditions its overkill.
#36
To the people who are saying, "They aren't necessary...yack, yada, yada, yack" I would say that big brake kits are as much a cosmetic upgrade that also have a functional component to them much like buying an aftermarket exhaust or whatnot. Why do people often opt for relatively pricy Brembos when less expensive but equally fuctional kits exist. The NAME! Brembo is the company that Original Equipment Manufacters (won't let me say OEMs<<censored) turn to for brake technology.
Personally, IMO nothing sets off a set of HRE ( or I-forged, et. al.) wheels like a BBK with the crossed drilled rotors. ( yeah I no crossdrilling does squat, so don't go yack, yada again) However, to my mind is subtle form of bling with class. Similarly, somebody with some huge chromed, forged-multipiece 20" wheels ( yeah real fuctional there ) with the shriveled little stock rotors looks like a total tool.
Also, if you are have bought a BBK in the past and regret dropping the coin, that doesn't preclude somebody from spending the money and enjoying looking at those gleaming platter sized disks every day and considering money well spent. I saw a Ferrari Modena a while back with brakes (stock too I think) that were just gorgeous.
Personally, IMO nothing sets off a set of HRE ( or I-forged, et. al.) wheels like a BBK with the crossed drilled rotors. ( yeah I no crossdrilling does squat, so don't go yack, yada again) However, to my mind is subtle form of bling with class. Similarly, somebody with some huge chromed, forged-multipiece 20" wheels ( yeah real fuctional there ) with the shriveled little stock rotors looks like a total tool.
Also, if you are have bought a BBK in the past and regret dropping the coin, that doesn't preclude somebody from spending the money and enjoying looking at those gleaming platter sized disks every day and considering money well spent. I saw a Ferrari Modena a while back with brakes (stock too I think) that were just gorgeous.
Last edited by CRB; 06-22-06 at 11:19 AM.
#37
^^ probably the most incoherant post of the day. yes BBKs have a functionality. a turbo the size of a watermelon has a functionality too you don't see people strapping them to cars...typically.
the point is if you pay 3000 for a front bbk and never even race then you're wasting about 2900 bucks. pads and tires will increase stopping performance greater than any BBK.
BBKs to have a very strong aesthetic value, but you aren't paying for that. w/ wheels, body kits, etc you are paying for r&d construction but mostly aesthetics. so if you wantt o dress up behind your wheels go for it but a set of 3k endless bbks is overkill. if you have the money thats your fortune but that doesn't make it a logical decision.
the point is if you pay 3000 for a front bbk and never even race then you're wasting about 2900 bucks. pads and tires will increase stopping performance greater than any BBK.
BBKs to have a very strong aesthetic value, but you aren't paying for that. w/ wheels, body kits, etc you are paying for r&d construction but mostly aesthetics. so if you wantt o dress up behind your wheels go for it but a set of 3k endless bbks is overkill. if you have the money thats your fortune but that doesn't make it a logical decision.
#38
Originally Posted by uschardcor
so if you wantt o dress up behind your wheels go for it but a set of 3k endless bbks is overkill. if you have the money thats your fortune but that doesn't make it a logical decision.
Such a waste of money. Stoptech for BBKs, or just better pads. Race pads won't fade at higher temperatures, but the trade off is that the pad performance is reduced until the pads heat up.
-Brian
#39
Also, I forgot to mention the increase cost in replacement parts. After the BBK installation, how's $800-1600 sound for a brake job? ($200-400 per wheel, rotors, pads, etc) Cost varies based on brand. Yes, I am aware that almost all BBKs are designed with the aluminum hat, but it doesn't make the actual disc part of the rotor replacement all that much cheaper.
-Brian
-Brian
#40
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Originally Posted by uschardcor
so if you wantt o dress up behind your wheels go for it but a set of 3k endless bbks is overkill. if you have the money thats your fortune but that doesn't make it a logical decision.
#41
Originally Posted by al503
What does logic have to do with 90% of the mods out there?
Edit for clarity: I mean base TCO, brake maintenence is required, so if a brake job is $400 and you increase the cost of your brake job to $600, it will cost more over total length of ownership to own the car than before the modification. - Of course the TCO will go up if you factor in the cost of the modification itself, this is true for any mod.
-Brian
Last edited by rys; 06-22-06 at 11:40 AM.
#43
Originally Posted by uschardcor
^^ probably the most incoherant post of the day. yes BBKs have a functionality. a turbo the size of a watermelon has a functionality too you don't see people strapping them to cars...typically.
the point is if you pay 3000 for a front bbk and never even race then you're wasting about 2900 bucks. pads and tires will increase stopping performance greater than any BBK.
BBKs to have a very strong aesthetic value, but you aren't paying for that. w/ wheels, body kits, etc you are paying for r&d construction but mostly aesthetics. so if you wantt o dress up behind your wheels go for it but a set of 3k endless bbks is overkill. if you have the money thats your fortune but that doesn't make it a logical decision.
the point is if you pay 3000 for a front bbk and never even race then you're wasting about 2900 bucks. pads and tires will increase stopping performance greater than any BBK.
BBKs to have a very strong aesthetic value, but you aren't paying for that. w/ wheels, body kits, etc you are paying for r&d construction but mostly aesthetics. so if you wantt o dress up behind your wheels go for it but a set of 3k endless bbks is overkill. if you have the money thats your fortune but that doesn't make it a logical decision.
1. I never said modifying cars, in any way, had anything to do with logic.
2. Watermelon-sized turbos are quite an interesting visual... but hardly relevant here.
3. Saying that somebody else wasted thier OWN money is a very slippery slope. And most luxury car owners understand this from first hand experience.
Last edited by CRB; 06-22-06 at 11:45 AM.
#44
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Originally Posted by rominl
i hate to say, but i don't find brakes on the 2is that impressive at all. i drove it at the lexus event, and only 15 mins into the event (at 9:30) the brakes were fading bad already. same with the ones on the gs430.
even when i slammed on the brakes it didn't stop. comparing to the stoptech on my sc430 they are nothing. on my sc430 if you slam on the brakes you better be prepared coz' it will choke you.
#45
Lexus Champion
Originally Posted by rys
Also, I forgot to mention the increase cost in replacement parts. After the BBK installation, how's $800-1600 sound for a brake job? ($200-400 per wheel, rotors, pads, etc) Cost varies based on brand. Yes, I am aware that almost all BBKs are designed with the aluminum hat, but it doesn't make the actual disc part of the rotor replacement all that much cheaper.
-Brian
-Brian