BC Racing Coilovers woohooo.
07-02-09, 10:37 AM
#17
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The good thing is that you have a choice. I chose pillowball
Last edited by juice14; 07-02-09 at 11:52 AM.
07-02-09, 11:30 AM
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No, the mounts will do nothing to assist alignment stability. Our cars don't have struts. Pillow ball = harsher ride and catastrophic failure when they wear out. I would never run them on a street car. They are a race only configuration.
07-02-09, 12:02 PM
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I'd never run pillowball mounts on a street car. I've seen them fail, and it's catastrophic. There's practically no warning, they just wear out and push the rods into the trunk or through the hood.
The IS line, even 1st gen, all have double wishbone suspension, so there's no advantage to pillowball mounts. If we had struts, I'd be a bit more on the fence about it, but since we don't, there's no need to risk the kind of failure pillowball mounts suffer.
If you really want the same kind of advantage pillowball mounts make with struts, you'll need to get polyurethane bushings and swap out all your rubber bushings. This will give measurable benefit and even a pretty strong seat of the pants difference on a street car. The one thing I will say though, it's a whole lot easier to talk about swapping out bushings than it is to actually do it. Few things are as much of a PITA as a full bushing swap.
The IS line, even 1st gen, all have double wishbone suspension, so there's no advantage to pillowball mounts. If we had struts, I'd be a bit more on the fence about it, but since we don't, there's no need to risk the kind of failure pillowball mounts suffer.
If you really want the same kind of advantage pillowball mounts make with struts, you'll need to get polyurethane bushings and swap out all your rubber bushings. This will give measurable benefit and even a pretty strong seat of the pants difference on a street car. The one thing I will say though, it's a whole lot easier to talk about swapping out bushings than it is to actually do it. Few things are as much of a PITA as a full bushing swap.
07-02-09, 12:16 PM
#21
The pillowball mounts will usually start making noise before they fail, we have NEVER had one fail yet. We have had customers say the pillowball bearings were wearing out and making noise, and then they just replaced them. And some of these guys are hardcore tracking these things.
We do recommend going with the rubber mounts on the Lexus Apps though, like Lobux said the Pillowballs offer little advantage over the rubbers, other than a bit more direct feel. The rubebr bushings used are pretty stiff, similar to a urethane bushing.
We do recommend going with the rubber mounts on the Lexus Apps though, like Lobux said the Pillowballs offer little advantage over the rubbers, other than a bit more direct feel. The rubebr bushings used are pretty stiff, similar to a urethane bushing.
07-02-09, 12:41 PM
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For a track day car - all solid mounts please - because I'm going to regularly inspect them for wear and expect to replace them more frequently because they're exposed AND being subjected to very high loading you would almost never see while street driving. Besides, I really don't want to preflight my car every single time I drive it.
07-02-09, 01:34 PM
#24
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We can talk about this all day I know guys with G35 and Evo who have had pillowball mounts on different brands coils for years and never failed, its a matter of choice. It took me a couple of months to decide which coilovers to get and which specs. At first I wanted JIC but I can get 2 sets of BC racing instead of 1 JIC. I narrowed down t either 10/8 rates with pillowball or 12/8 with rubber. I went for the pillowball for the direct feel considering I have good tires and comfortable Toyo T1r. Id say if you go cheapo on tires get the rubber mounts. I wish I could show you guys what Im talking about the sound its barely noticeable and this wouldnt even be a discussion. However I enjoy listening to what experts have to say..
Last edited by juice14; 07-02-09 at 01:42 PM.
07-02-09, 03:27 PM
#25
Tein has made a name for themselves with awesome advertising, I myself, don't care at all for the product. I think it's junk.
Like I said since we have been using BCR stuff I have not seen or heard of one pillowball failure. We do recommend rubber mounts just for the fact that for street driving, they are more practical.
Like I said since we have been using BCR stuff I have not seen or heard of one pillowball failure. We do recommend rubber mounts just for the fact that for street driving, they are more practical.
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