Issue with Vogtland springs and KYB G2's
08-12-10, 11:44 AM
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I dont understand how it could possobly be the top hat. I had vogtlands on my car with supra tokicos and Sc400 top hats and there was no issue at all
Post up a good pic and we'll get this problems solved
Post up a good pic and we'll get this problems solved
08-12-10, 04:30 PM
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Pics being uploaded after phone syncs. I have a feeling I miss spoke and it wasnt the top hat.
edit:Phone is having troubles..damn iphone. I will bump thread with pics asap. FYI...I think I just found out it isnt the top hat thats the issue..its the rubber thing lol the rubber piece is to big for the coil to go over and sit properly. brb with pics.
edit:Phone is having troubles..damn iphone. I will bump thread with pics asap. FYI...I think I just found out it isnt the top hat thats the issue..its the rubber thing lol the rubber piece is to big for the coil to go over and sit properly. brb with pics.
Last edited by ashtray; 08-12-10 at 04:38 PM.
08-12-10, 05:37 PM
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So the issue is that the Vogtland spring in comparison to this stock spring is that the Vogtland is not wide enough to let the rubber fit through it as you see here. In other words, it is basically narrower. Hope pic helps.
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08-12-10, 06:11 PM
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Hmmm... I guess that must be a Vogtland product issue. There are plenty of us here running Supra springs with no issues. I guess you could just cut up the rubber piece so it fits correctly...
08-13-10, 05:53 AM
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This looks exactly as it should. I am guessing this is a picture of your stock set up?
Thats really odd I never ran into that problem with my Vogtlands. Must be something to do with that bellows you have in the rear. How much doesnt it fit? I know the bellows is built into the spring isolator on factory units and a lot of people think that part of the top hat but they aren't. You can pull the bellows and isolator off and then cut the isolator off the bellows and buy and after market bellows at your local part store for $15.
That is what I did recently because the factory bellows/isolator unit are now special order and like $55 a piece
Thats really odd I never ran into that problem with my Vogtlands. Must be something to do with that bellows you have in the rear. How much doesnt it fit? I know the bellows is built into the spring isolator on factory units and a lot of people think that part of the top hat but they aren't. You can pull the bellows and isolator off and then cut the isolator off the bellows and buy and after market bellows at your local part store for $15.
That is what I did recently because the factory bellows/isolator unit are now special order and like $55 a piece
08-13-10, 05:25 PM
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This looks exactly as it should. I am guessing this is a picture of your stock set up?
Thats really odd I never ran into that problem with my Vogtlands. Must be something to do with that bellows you have in the rear. How much doesnt it fit? I know the bellows is built into the spring isolator on factory units and a lot of people think that part of the top hat but they aren't. You can pull the bellows and isolator off and then cut the isolator off the bellows and buy and after market bellows at your local part store for $15.
That is what I did recently because the factory bellows/isolator unit are now special order and like $55 a piece
Thats really odd I never ran into that problem with my Vogtlands. Must be something to do with that bellows you have in the rear. How much doesnt it fit? I know the bellows is built into the spring isolator on factory units and a lot of people think that part of the top hat but they aren't. You can pull the bellows and isolator off and then cut the isolator off the bellows and buy and after market bellows at your local part store for $15.
That is what I did recently because the factory bellows/isolator unit are now special order and like $55 a piece
08-13-10, 05:59 PM
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I only say that because they are some of the least consistent springs I've seen. On spring dynos, their linear springs acted progressive.. Some people (not particularly SC/Supra owners) experience the spring length decreasing once they remeasured it off the car. They are good enough that they are featured in TC Kline coilovers, but somehow are kind of shaky in consistency. The reviews you find are either really good or really bad. I do applaud them for using something other than the typical chrome silicon. Their springs give you more suspension travel before the coils bind since they generally have less coil than their competitors. When I was researching for a replacement spring for my coilovers, I looked heavily into Vogtland but in the end, I went elsewhere 
08-13-10, 07:26 PM
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Im thinking of doing just that, cutting the rubber piece. I am affraid it may have a negative side effect.
Why do you say this?
Thats the stock spring though. lol thats how I want the Vogtlands to look, fine.
Those are the stock springs though.
Yes correct it is the stock set up. Its to show the piece of rubber thats too big for the Vogtlands. I guess I'll look into smaller bellows. Is it going to affect anything changing out the bellows?
Why do you say this?
Thats the stock spring though. lol thats how I want the Vogtlands to look, fine.
Those are the stock springs though.
Yes correct it is the stock set up. Its to show the piece of rubber thats too big for the Vogtlands. I guess I'll look into smaller bellows. Is it going to affect anything changing out the bellows?
10-20-10, 09:51 PM
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A question: On the Vogtland box's label, it says the following: Toyota Supra T, JAZ 90
Will they work with NA supra shocks??? I am so confused on suspension right now. Especially since on the SF's, everyone is saying there is no such thing a JAZ 90...but thats what the label says...FML.
edit: another phuking $#!T thing...on Vogtlands website..all the photos of the springs they carry, show the exact same springs. They dont show the actual product, just one set of springs for every car. AND! they dont carry NA springs which is killing me because the seller on SF said IIRC, that they were for NA.
Will they work with NA supra shocks??? I am so confused on suspension right now. Especially since on the SF's, everyone is saying there is no such thing a JAZ 90...but thats what the label says...FML.
edit: another phuking $#!T thing...on Vogtlands website..all the photos of the springs they carry, show the exact same springs. They dont show the actual product, just one set of springs for every car. AND! they dont carry NA springs which is killing me because the seller on SF said IIRC, that they were for NA.
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10-21-10, 08:22 PM
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I thought the issue was with the rubber piece of the tophat? Buying MK4 shocks won't solve your problem unless they are selling you the whole assembly including the tophats.