F-sport Springs on a GS460????
07-22-09, 12:45 PM
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Henry I'm trying to get info on who is the person(s) in charge of the F-sport program. They need help. PERIOD.
They need someone COMMITTED to the program and some enthusiasts. If they do have them I hope they are not caught up in red tape.
I mean we have seen the GS at one car show. They have been no reviews on the GS 350 F-sport and the promotion is great but dealers seem to not be pushing it at all outside of Sewell!!
NExt thing we know F-sport is canceled b/c people didn't buy (like L-tuned) but Lexus did NOT put in the true effort.
Now we have conflicting info on the parts and now they are really ONLY for the GS 350? It makes me feel the GS was just a damn afterthought.
1. Springs for 350 only\
2. Shocks for 350 only
Intake, brakes, wheels (i mean they aren't ANY wider and the GS is larger than the IS) from the IS F-sport program.
It kinda makes me feel like an idiot promoting it to other people
They need someone COMMITTED to the program and some enthusiasts. If they do have them I hope they are not caught up in red tape.
I mean we have seen the GS at one car show. They have been no reviews on the GS 350 F-sport and the promotion is great but dealers seem to not be pushing it at all outside of Sewell!!
NExt thing we know F-sport is canceled b/c people didn't buy (like L-tuned) but Lexus did NOT put in the true effort.
Now we have conflicting info on the parts and now they are really ONLY for the GS 350? It makes me feel the GS was just a damn afterthought.
1. Springs for 350 only\
2. Shocks for 350 only
Intake, brakes, wheels (i mean they aren't ANY wider and the GS is larger than the IS) from the IS F-sport program.
It kinda makes me feel like an idiot promoting it to other people
07-22-09, 12:48 PM
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Henry I'm trying to get info on who is the person(s) in charge of the F-sport program. They need help. PERIOD.
They need someone COMMITTED to the program and some enthusiasts. If they do have them I hope they are not caught up in red tape.
I mean we have seen the GS at one car show. They have been no reviews on the GS 350 F-sport and the promotion is great but dealers seem to not be pushing it at all outside of Sewell!!
NExt thing we know F-sport is canceled b/c people didn't buy (like L-tuned) but Lexus did NOT put in the true effort.
Now we have conflicting info on the parts and now they are really ONLY for the GS 350? It makes me feel the GS was just a damn afterthought.
1. Springs for 350 only\
2. Shocks for 350 only
Intake, brakes, wheels (i mean they aren't ANY wider and the GS is larger than the IS) from the IS F-sport program.
It kinda makes me feel like an idiot promoting it to other people
They need someone COMMITTED to the program and some enthusiasts. If they do have them I hope they are not caught up in red tape.
I mean we have seen the GS at one car show. They have been no reviews on the GS 350 F-sport and the promotion is great but dealers seem to not be pushing it at all outside of Sewell!!
NExt thing we know F-sport is canceled b/c people didn't buy (like L-tuned) but Lexus did NOT put in the true effort.
Now we have conflicting info on the parts and now they are really ONLY for the GS 350? It makes me feel the GS was just a damn afterthought.
1. Springs for 350 only\
2. Shocks for 350 only
Intake, brakes, wheels (i mean they aren't ANY wider and the GS is larger than the IS) from the IS F-sport program.
It kinda makes me feel like an idiot promoting it to other people
Lee
07-22-09, 01:48 PM
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mike you hit it completely. they need someone more dedicated to the program and can actually deal with an excel sheet and figure out all the combo. come on, for crying out loud, lexus has access to ALL these models and options down to the last detail, and they can't figure out the possibility for each one of them? imho that's unacceptable.
07-22-09, 01:56 PM
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mike you hit it completely. they need someone more dedicated to the program and can actually deal with an excel sheet and figure out all the combo. come on, for crying out loud, lexus has access to ALL these models and options down to the last detail, and they can't figure out the possibility for each one of them? imho that's unacceptable.
In their defense, I think they believe they HAVE done this... the problem is, the information they have provided is inconsistent and therefore, subject to question and confusion! They simply need to clarify. Then, it's incumbant upon us to prove them wrong. The POINT of the F-sport line is that, for many of us, we get improved performance without the warranty fight that invedibly ensues when/if something goes wrong with an aftermarket modification. Along with the added comfort that these parts were designed by the people who designed our rides in the first place, for added confidence and assurance. They may not be the "end all" performance mods, but they are SOLID and reliable. Lexus has NOT done this in a way that ensures those of us are covered. Ex: Currently, if I attempt to install these springs on my 460 and something goes wrong, Lexus can/will likely stand behind their statement of compatibility... however, at this point, I will probably win that argument because they have made 2 public, contradictory statements of fitment/compatibility. Another example: We know that the exhaust will likely work on ANY of the GS's (except maybe the AWD), however, their information shows GS350 RWD only, I believe. So, again, are they being overly conservative or inconsistent? I think both...
Lexus: JUST CLARIFY AND STOP BEING SO OVERLY CONSERVATIVE - we want these parts and are willing to pay, stop impeding progress or we'll go elsewhere!!!!!!
Last edited by Leeladisky; 07-22-09 at 04:17 PM. Reason: Because it's a RANT and needs a WARNING!
07-22-09, 02:03 PM
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07-22-09, 04:10 PM
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In their defense, I think they believe they HAVE done this... the problem is, the information they have provided is inconsistent and therefore, subject to question and confusion! They simply need to clarify. Then, it's incumbant upon us to prove them wrong. The POINT of the F-sport line is that, for many of us, we get improved performance without the warranty fight that invedibly ensues when/if something goes wrong with an aftermarket modification. Along with the added comfort that these parts were designed by the people who designed our rides in the first place, for added confidence and assurance. They may not be the "end all" performance mods, but they are SOLID and reliable. Lexus has NOT done this in a way that ensures those of us are covered. Ex: Currently, if I attempt to install these springs on my 460 and something goes wrong, Lexus can/will likely stand behind their statement of compatibility... however, at this point, I will probably win that argument because they have made 2 public, contradictory statements of fitment/compatibility. Another example: We know that the exhaust will likely work on ANY of the GS's (except maybe the AWD), however, their information shows GS350 RWD only, I believe. So, again, are they being overly conservative or inconsistent? I think both...
Lexus: JUST CLARIFY AND STOP BEING SO OVERLY CONSERVATIVE - we want these parts and are willing to pay, stop impeding progress or we'll go elsewhere!!!!!!
Lexus: JUST CLARIFY AND STOP BEING SO OVERLY CONSERVATIVE - we want these parts and are willing to pay, stop impeding progress or we'll go elsewhere!!!!!!
07-22-09, 04:17 PM
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07-27-09, 03:23 PM
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So, Lexus just "confirmed" that they are not compatible... and, by confirmed, I mean they only tested on the 350 and explicitly state it's for the 350. I have ordered anyway and will report back my result (i.e., yes it works, no way, etc.).
Should be interesting.... Anyone want to comment? If not, wish me luck - this is an expensive experiment...
Lee
Should be interesting.... Anyone want to comment? If not, wish me luck - this is an expensive experiment...
Lee
07-27-09, 05:26 PM
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So, Lexus just "confirmed" that they are not compatible... and, by confirmed, I mean they only tested on the 350 and explicitly state it's for the 350. I have ordered anyway and will report back my result (i.e., yes it works, no way, etc.).
Should be interesting.... Anyone want to comment? If not, wish me luck - this is an expensive experiment...
Lee
Should be interesting.... Anyone want to comment? If not, wish me luck - this is an expensive experiment...
Lee
so they better update lexus.com soon
07-27-09, 09:10 PM
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Supposedly, update coming soon. But more importantly, imho, Lexus should get their act together with these items. I mean, how hard is it to duplicate parts for the GS 350 and/or GS460? I mean, I can order a GS350 with AVS and wait 6+ weeks and use the lowering springs, so why can I not use them on a 460? How about the sways? How about... there is NOTHING different about these vehicles except the engines, it just makes no sense....
07-27-09, 11:27 PM
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Supposedly, update coming soon. But more importantly, imho, Lexus should get their act together with these items. I mean, how hard is it to duplicate parts for the GS 350 and/or GS460? I mean, I can order a GS350 with AVS and wait 6+ weeks and use the lowering springs, so why can I not use them on a 460? How about the sways? How about... there is NOTHING different about these vehicles except the engines, it just makes no sense....
the cars have different engines and i suppose weight distribution would be a bit different (lexus.com shows about 150lb, not much). so if that's the case, maybe that's a reason why they "could" have different springs between the 460 and the 350 (while we are at this, did anyone confirm the stock part numbers for 460 and 350 springs?)
if that's the reason why they have different springs for the two cars, then i can see why they don't say the springs are confirmed for 460 unless they have done the study and make sure that the springs are ok on the car with performance that's acceptable to their standard. after all if whatever happens, the springs do weird things on the 460, causing accident, and they find out springs aren't tested on the 460, then lexus is in some serious trouble
now with that said, i personally don't agree with lexus at all if they actually only tested the springs and sways on the 350 and not 460, and thus claiming the parts aren't for 460. imho it's inevitable that people will want to put these parts on 460 and 430, so why not go through little more trouble and study the parts on those cars? if they did the study and result is "sorry, these parts don't really work on the 460 and 430 to our standard / requirement", then i am actually ok. but if they didn't really test these parts on the cars, then umm...... my question is why
07-28-09, 05:00 AM
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Very disheartening. Here are owners that want to mod and stick with Lexus OEM parts and they cannot. Very frustrating.
Whats funny is F-sport parts haven't really flew off shelves since its debut on the IS so you would think things would be different.
Whats funny is F-sport parts haven't really flew off shelves since its debut on the IS so you would think things would be different.