Lexus UX
03-07-18, 03:39 PM
#181
drives cars
the UX boasts a tight 34-foot turning radius.
In addition, it's only about 1.4 foot smaller than the IS, so I am not that impressed. :P
Also I am a millennial, technically, but I live in a house and don't particularly like to party, and I actually would never buy this vehicle, so maybe "millennials" as they are so-called, are not all the same and shouldn't be lumped into a group.
03-07-18, 04:57 PM
#182
Tight? That's gargantuan! Maybe they mean "diameter"...
In addition, it's only about 1.4 foot smaller than the IS, so I am not that impressed. :P
Also I am a millennial, technically, but I live in a house and don't particularly like to party, and I actually would never buy this vehicle, so maybe "millennials" as they are so-called, are not all the same and shouldn't be lumped into a group.
In addition, it's only about 1.4 foot smaller than the IS, so I am not that impressed. :P
Also I am a millennial, technically, but I live in a house and don't particularly like to party, and I actually would never buy this vehicle, so maybe "millennials" as they are so-called, are not all the same and shouldn't be lumped into a group.
03-07-18, 04:59 PM
#183
But of course Rav4 will sell better than it... It will likely sell 15x better at best for Lexus.
Heck, Rav4 easily outsells complete Lexus lineup in the USA. I guess it makes Rav4 best vehicle ever?
03-07-18, 05:44 PM
#184
Lexus Fanatic
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hehe yeah sales does not equal greatness... a false correlation we see over and over, but sales does equal 'fit to market opportunity' so a zillion boring camrys get sold to zillions of people looking for a boring reliable vehicle. 
a handful of ferraris get sold to a handful or rich people to compensate 
but the sales quantity does not mean the camry is 'better' than the ferrari.
a handful of ferraris get sold to a handful or rich people to compensate but the sales quantity does not mean the camry is 'better' than the ferrari.
03-07-18, 07:18 PM
#185
I change my mind about the UX. I think it looks pretty nice. It would be a hard choice between the UX and NX.
03-07-18, 09:50 PM
#186
Lexus Test Driver
I can see where you are coming from with that thought, but the UX is extroverted and in your face all the way around. There is no holding back on the style quotient here. Exhaust tips would be the most mild feature, if added.
03-07-18, 10:18 PM
#187
Lexus Test Driver
After studying it over the last few days, I've become fixated on a few glares.
1) I mentioned the no exhaust tip thing. Nothing screams cheap and economy car more than missing tips. Expensive cars have decorations. Cheap cars do not.
2) While the shapes and curves of the dash are very attractive, there is a coal-bin appearance that comes across as cold. There needs to be more brightwork or some wood trim spanning between the center console and glovebox. The NX has the same, staid problem. It is minor things like this that quickly grow old over the course of years of ownership, as more interesting offerings quickly pop up elsewhere.
3) Black wheel flares do not belong on this type of project. This is an urban, sport-luxury-city cruiser that has no need for rock protection around the wheels. The blackwork just makes the wheelwells look bigger, which makes the wheels look smaller.
4) The embedded "A" rear styling looks just as overdone here as it does on the LC. A smooth, clean, and flatter butt would have been nicer punctuation. Protrusions and air slicing should be left to the front, and airflow dumped off in haste out back.
5) Most Lexus models still suffer from excessive front overhang, including this.
6) Another example of the risks and disadvantages of using a full-height grille. Instead of being able to add aggressive and wide lower side air-intakes, all the frontal opening goes to the central grille. This, once again, leaves too much "body" in a spot where most would look for an aggressive, open-air, sporty feature.
I can't help but think how much this might cut into NX sales. If one were looking at a well-optioned UX, there will be a lightly optioned NX a few spots over on the lot. No doubt this crossing over will tug at people's temptation. Often, it's a numbers game, not a model game. The next NX must raise the bar much higher than it does today.
1) I mentioned the no exhaust tip thing. Nothing screams cheap and economy car more than missing tips. Expensive cars have decorations. Cheap cars do not.
2) While the shapes and curves of the dash are very attractive, there is a coal-bin appearance that comes across as cold. There needs to be more brightwork or some wood trim spanning between the center console and glovebox. The NX has the same, staid problem. It is minor things like this that quickly grow old over the course of years of ownership, as more interesting offerings quickly pop up elsewhere.
3) Black wheel flares do not belong on this type of project. This is an urban, sport-luxury-city cruiser that has no need for rock protection around the wheels. The blackwork just makes the wheelwells look bigger, which makes the wheels look smaller.
4) The embedded "A" rear styling looks just as overdone here as it does on the LC. A smooth, clean, and flatter butt would have been nicer punctuation. Protrusions and air slicing should be left to the front, and airflow dumped off in haste out back.
5) Most Lexus models still suffer from excessive front overhang, including this.
6) Another example of the risks and disadvantages of using a full-height grille. Instead of being able to add aggressive and wide lower side air-intakes, all the frontal opening goes to the central grille. This, once again, leaves too much "body" in a spot where most would look for an aggressive, open-air, sporty feature.
I can't help but think how much this might cut into NX sales. If one were looking at a well-optioned UX, there will be a lightly optioned NX a few spots over on the lot. No doubt this crossing over will tug at people's temptation. Often, it's a numbers game, not a model game. The next NX must raise the bar much higher than it does today.
Last edited by Fizzboy7; 03-07-18 at 10:22 PM.
03-08-18, 07:22 AM
#188
Pole Position
uh, what? I am sure UX will have more expensive suspension and handle better.
But of course Rav4 will sell better than it... It will likely sell 15x better at best for Lexus.
Heck, Rav4 easily outsells complete Lexus lineup in the USA. I guess it makes Rav4 best vehicle ever?
But of course Rav4 will sell better than it... It will likely sell 15x better at best for Lexus.
Heck, Rav4 easily outsells complete Lexus lineup in the USA. I guess it makes Rav4 best vehicle ever?
03-08-18, 07:26 AM
#189
Pole Position
hehe yeah sales does not equal greatness... a false correlation we see over and over, but sales does equal 'fit to market opportunity' so a zillion boring camrys get sold to zillions of people looking for a boring reliable vehicle. a handful of ferraris get sold to a handful or rich people to compensate but the sales quantity does not mean the camry is 'better' than the ferrari.
a handful of ferraris get sold to a handful or rich people to compensate but the sales quantity does not mean the camry is 'better' than the ferrari.
03-08-18, 09:16 AM
#190
Lexus Fanatic
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The answer is always depends. If you need absolute speed and handling plus prestige, Ferrari is superior and great in every way. If you want a car to last 200k miles reliably, Ferraris are inferior in every way and the Camry is greatness materialized for zillions of people.
this new ux is targeted at the gla, x1, q3, mini, encore and other premium cuvs. it should do well. it will be no rocket.
03-08-18, 12:54 PM
#191
Pole Position
Just realized this thing will share powertrains with a lowly Corolla/Auris. Still baffles me why the 2.5L isnt in there when this thing costs more than a Camry with the 2.5L.
03-09-18, 05:24 PM
#192
I went back and reviewed all the photos of the new UX and the outside is very polarizing there are just too many lines going in all different directions and lacks uniformity especially the rear quarter panels and rear of the vehicle. I’m just not crazy about all the creases and lines in the body just too busy. The interior is a winner. For those reasons and smaller engines I’m out.
03-09-18, 06:44 PM
#194
In fact, we are lucky at how TMC does platforms, it enables them to not share everything like for instance VW group where exact suspension is often shared... case in point:
In the case of the UX, Kako and her team aimed for a more hatchback-esque driving feel, benchmarking cars like the Audi A3, Mercedes A-Class and BMW 1-Series. The UX rides on the same platform as the new Toyota CH-R but it uses aluminum throughout for lighter weight and a lower center of gravity. Additionally, the UX has nine-percent more torsional rigidity than the CH-R and over half of its suspension components are bespoke.
03-09-18, 07:14 PM
#195
Lexus Champion
The reason (I believe) that the UX has the 2-litre Dynamic Force-4 and not the 2.5-litre Dynamic Force-4 is because of the size of the vehicles -- the UX is a subcompact / compact vehicle while the Camry is a mid-size vehicle.
We have yet to see the UX standing next to other Toyota and Lexus vehicles, so it seems that we believe it to be larger than it actually is. Its shape and proportions suggest comparison with the NX but I have no doubt that it is a mini-NX.