Are HRE's worth the money?
#16
I just bought some 20's at 1k per wheel. I looked at every possible wheel at that price. The HRE's are good wheels , but they are a little overpriced. Corrrect me if I'm wrong, but some of their designs have been around for a while so that in itself should drive the price down a little.
#20
Originally posted by SoCalSC4
My brother has been rolling his '94 GS300 on 19x9 and 19x10 HRE 448R for about a year and a half now- he's on his second set of rubber, almost ready for his third. The outer rims are incredibly strong- so far, so good.
My brother has been rolling his '94 GS300 on 19x9 and 19x10 HRE 448R for about a year and a half now- he's on his second set of rubber, almost ready for his third. The outer rims are incredibly strong- so far, so good.
What is the weight of this wheel https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...threadid=88416 ?
I am curious to know the difference between the weight of that wheel compared to my OEM 17 inch chromes (99 GS400). Sometimes I think it is best to stay with the stockies rather than going to a bigger rim simply because of the weight penalty. Please convince me otherwise!!
#21
Originally posted by TidaLXWaVe
of course they're worth the money
of course they're worth the money
Somewhere in the continuum each of us makes the worth decision. Depends on what you value.
#22
I am interested to learn what the OE 17s weigh... I can tell you, they are not light! I have a set in my garage, but they have tires on them. Anybody know the weight?
Here are the numbers for 547R:
19x8.5 high disk: 26.4 lbs. (big brake capable)
19x10.0 low disk: 26.6 lbs. (3.0" outer lip)
Our wheels are occasionally 1 pound or so heavier than our competitors- but in most cases, we are lighter. We recently weighed our 440R series wheels versus the another brand of three-piece wheel (sold through the Tire Rack). Size-for-size, our wheels were about one pound lighter.
There is good reason for the way our wheels are designed. The center cross-sections are optimized to retain consistent strength throughout the different wheel styles. A fat-five spoke doesn't need as much cross-section as a more open style.
All HRE wheels must pass stringent Finite-Element alalysis (done in-house by our full time Engineer) and withstand intense radial and cornering load tests, performed by an independent outside laboratory. Sometime, we will 'fail' a wheel on purpose, to see what it will handle. Better safe than sorry. Like I said, we are serious about this. Our designs are created to meet techical & strength criteria first, aesthetics are secondary- I think we happen to blend the different properties extremely well. Did I mention we have been doing this since 1981?
One of the things nobody mentions beyond weight- rotating mass. If you can lower the rotational inertia, you can help improve acceleration and deceleration. Our inner & outer rims are very lightweight- most of the wheels' mass is concentrated in the center of the wheel. This is a good thing.
Also, the larger contact patch afforded by bigger/wider wheels and tires can help to offset a slight increase in weight. The 235/45-17 OE tires are really pretty undersized for a 3700+ pound car, let's be honest.
My GS400 is MUCH more enjoyable to drive with the 20s... wider IS better!!
Regards,
Bob
Here are the numbers for 547R:
19x8.5 high disk: 26.4 lbs. (big brake capable)
19x10.0 low disk: 26.6 lbs. (3.0" outer lip)
Our wheels are occasionally 1 pound or so heavier than our competitors- but in most cases, we are lighter. We recently weighed our 440R series wheels versus the another brand of three-piece wheel (sold through the Tire Rack). Size-for-size, our wheels were about one pound lighter.
There is good reason for the way our wheels are designed. The center cross-sections are optimized to retain consistent strength throughout the different wheel styles. A fat-five spoke doesn't need as much cross-section as a more open style.
All HRE wheels must pass stringent Finite-Element alalysis (done in-house by our full time Engineer) and withstand intense radial and cornering load tests, performed by an independent outside laboratory. Sometime, we will 'fail' a wheel on purpose, to see what it will handle. Better safe than sorry. Like I said, we are serious about this. Our designs are created to meet techical & strength criteria first, aesthetics are secondary- I think we happen to blend the different properties extremely well. Did I mention we have been doing this since 1981?
One of the things nobody mentions beyond weight- rotating mass. If you can lower the rotational inertia, you can help improve acceleration and deceleration. Our inner & outer rims are very lightweight- most of the wheels' mass is concentrated in the center of the wheel. This is a good thing.
Also, the larger contact patch afforded by bigger/wider wheels and tires can help to offset a slight increase in weight. The 235/45-17 OE tires are really pretty undersized for a 3700+ pound car, let's be honest.
My GS400 is MUCH more enjoyable to drive with the 20s... wider IS better!!
Regards,
Bob
#23
Originally posted by jpa2400
"the wheels are overbuilt."
If that is how you think, then your Lexus is WAY over built, go buy a Kia and some Konigs if you want cheap
Not just HRE, but most quality 3pc forged wheels are going to set you back some coin...
"the wheels are overbuilt."
If that is how you think, then your Lexus is WAY over built, go buy a Kia and some Konigs if you want cheap
Not just HRE, but most quality 3pc forged wheels are going to set you back some coin...
Originally posted by rominl
if you know the right resource
if you know the right resource
#24
"just oh-so-barely worth it. what, $6 - $8k for most sets...that's just wild for something that serves the same as lesser wheels. quality and blah blah, and like they said, the wheels are overbuilt"
I won't bother quoting any more "stupid" statements.
On a side note, ever ride in a car with lesser quality wheels? Talk to those who have had 18"+ lesser quality wheels and then switched over to a high quality wheel...
To quote a good statement "HRE's are amazing" And so are any other top quality forged 3pc wheels.
I won't bother quoting any more "stupid" statements.
On a side note, ever ride in a car with lesser quality wheels? Talk to those who have had 18"+ lesser quality wheels and then switched over to a high quality wheel...
To quote a good statement "HRE's are amazing" And so are any other top quality forged 3pc wheels.
#25
a wheel doesn't really determine the ride when you look at all the other factors. performance is another thing, but we're talking small differences in the regular world.
i have cheap 18s, and good 19s and 20s, and prefer the cheap 18s if i want to really drive around.
lastly, there's no arguing that HREs are amazing. in case you didn't read the rest of my first post, i do actually like them and overbuild is a good thing
i have cheap 18s, and good 19s and 20s, and prefer the cheap 18s if i want to really drive around.
lastly, there's no arguing that HREs are amazing. in case you didn't read the rest of my first post, i do actually like them and overbuild is a good thing
#26
Originally posted by SoCalSC4
Here are the numbers for 547R:
19x8.5 high disk: 26.4 lbs. (big brake capable)
19x10.0 low disk: 26.6 lbs. (3.0" outer lip)
One of the things nobody mentions beyond weight- rotating mass. If you can lower the rotational inertia, you can help improve acceleration and deceleration. Our inner & outer rims are very lightweight- most of the wheels' mass is concentrated in the center of the wheel. This is a good thing.
Here are the numbers for 547R:
19x8.5 high disk: 26.4 lbs. (big brake capable)
19x10.0 low disk: 26.6 lbs. (3.0" outer lip)
One of the things nobody mentions beyond weight- rotating mass. If you can lower the rotational inertia, you can help improve acceleration and deceleration. Our inner & outer rims are very lightweight- most of the wheels' mass is concentrated in the center of the wheel. This is a good thing.
I did not realize that an important consideration is the rotational inertia. What is the value of that factor for the wheel I asked about (547 R)?
#27
BOTTOM LINE EVERYONE, HREs are a damn good wheel but some people dont have the 5500. Yea you do feel the difference with premium wheels and some garbage wheels. I used to have some 20inch enkeis and they felt heavy and unbalanced, got into some 19inch lorinsers and wow. You get what you pay for
#28
Originally posted by triggaice
BOTTOM LINE EVERYONE, HREs are a damn good wheel but some people dont have the 5500. Yea you do feel the difference with premium wheels and some garbage wheels. I used to have some 20inch enkeis and they felt heavy and unbalanced, got into some 19inch lorinsers and wow. You get what you pay for
BOTTOM LINE EVERYONE, HREs are a damn good wheel but some people dont have the 5500. Yea you do feel the difference with premium wheels and some garbage wheels. I used to have some 20inch enkeis and they felt heavy and unbalanced, got into some 19inch lorinsers and wow. You get what you pay for
#29
Originally posted by triggaice
BOTTOM LINE EVERYONE, HREs are a damn good wheel but some people dont have the 5500. Yea you do feel the difference with premium wheels and some garbage wheels. I used to have some 20inch enkeis and they felt heavy and unbalanced, got into some 19inch lorinsers and wow. You get what you pay for
BOTTOM LINE EVERYONE, HREs are a damn good wheel but some people dont have the 5500. Yea you do feel the difference with premium wheels and some garbage wheels. I used to have some 20inch enkeis and they felt heavy and unbalanced, got into some 19inch lorinsers and wow. You get what you pay for
bravo261, basically you go to most dealers other than HRE you get the cheaper price...